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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Mistigri · 17/01/2021 18:53

So, so far tonight any problems with Brexit have been the fault of the Scottish/SNP and the French. Who's next?

Mistigri · 17/01/2021 18:55

I'd be interested to know who's going to get the blame for the issues with trade to NI. Perhaps we could blame the PM who told NI business that they definitely would not need to complete any extra paperwork.

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 18:58

@Jason118

I wonder what *@RedToothBrush* word of the day is?
Its my word of the decade.
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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 19:01

I have Lamberts in my family. In the 1820s.

I have a friend named Lambert. I've traced his family back to South Wales as far back as the 1780s.

Just saying.

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istherelifeafter40 · 17/01/2021 19:12

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DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 19:21

The Maximillian Robespierre channel makes the excellent (and shouldn't be needed) point about the second a border goes up, it has two sides, and there is now nothing the UK can do about the other side of the border it decided to erect itself. Despite the cacophony of Brexiteers who feel it's the EU side that needs to move.

I can't begin to describe how alien - dare I say "foreign" ? - I find the sense of entitlement in some British people. A sense with seems indirectly related to how much travelling they have done. My DM sometimes said of my DB that he thought he was Gods Gift To Women ... whereas Brexiteers seem to genuinely think they are Gods Gift to The World. Yet another parallel with Brexit.

SabrinaThwaite · 17/01/2021 19:33

I wish I’d been one of @ListeningQuietly ‘s 1987 graduates at £12.5k - my cohort all started on £6 - £7k on graduate schemes / technical jobs.

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 19:37

Back in 1985 I returned to work after a career break (although they weren't called that then) after having had 8 years working prior to the break and I earned £8500, which I thought pretty good.

I started on £1200 back in 1973, which was also OK.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 19:41

RedToothBrush

French and Welsh flags in TonMoulin's link. My deleted post was a quote from your post.

SabrinaThwaite · 17/01/2021 19:42

I think my 1987 take home pay was about £400 a month as a new hire site engineer.

ListeningQuietly · 17/01/2021 19:44

Words
If you can get them to release it from customs, I'll pick up and then we can have a cuppa when you pick it up from mine.

Sabrina
DH got a good salary for a highly specialist job,
I wombled into temping and was on £5k (as a graduate) at the same time

Inflation is an interesting thing

Shrillharridan · 17/01/2021 19:44

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FrankieStein402 · 17/01/2021 19:49

CHIEF was never scaled for anything like the volume it's going to have to handle - which is why HMRC were issuing urgent (NDA'd) contracts a couple of years ago to replace it.

Given the threads suggesting it is still in use then I guess the replacement system (SAP based I understood) is delayed (surprise)

The only reason CHIEF hasn't fallen over yet can only be because of the much reduced flow - if that flow does kick in then it will fall over - what jolly japes.

Oh and the PNC story is odd - the PNC only holds charge and conviction data - certainly not suspect, dna or fingerprint - so they may be referring to the 'newer' system - slightly more embarassing.

SabrinaThwaite · 17/01/2021 19:50

LQ my DH got himself an overseas tax free job with lots of time off and was pocketing about £1k a month - except quite a lot was spent on keeping out of the UK for tax purposes (also known as “holidays”).

jasjas1973 · 17/01/2021 20:06

Clavinova

You've completely missed the point.....

EU suppliers are significantly cheaper, so shimano stuff can be 20 to 30% less than in the UK.
This also applies to clothings, esp shoes, italian ones are 200+ euros and UK importers charge the earth compared to EU companies.... indeed pre brexit the eu bicycle firms called the UK "Treasure island" it'll be known as "Euromillions island" in future!

Hunt make decent wheels from far east components, they are a bit player.

Mason? who the xxxx are they? unless you mean Madison.....

SabrinaThwaite · 17/01/2021 20:14

Mason make bikes in the UK - with Italian frames and stems / bars / headsets, Shimano or SRAM group sets / brakes and Hunt wheels.

Must have been squeaky bum time on rules of origin Smile

jasjas1973 · 17/01/2021 20:15

To be fair - the wine importer guy in the link does have a heart-shaped EU flag on his profile picture

Are you another who thinks Remainers should fuck off to Europe?

The Tory party is no longer the Tory party. It is UKIP that has assumed control of the Tory party. They goal is clear, to commit economic vandalism and social vandalism on the U.K. whilst ensuring they get considerably wealthier. That is very sad for what was a great country

How very true.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 20:24

Mason? who the xxxx are they? unless you mean Madison...

Definitely Mason Cycles - the Brighton-based brand with Italian-built bikes -

masoncycles.cc/reviews

Hunt make decent wheels from far east components, they are a bit player.

I thought we were worried about small businesses.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 20:26

Are you another who thinks Remainers should f.. off to Europe?

No - but the wine importer guy has told everyone on social media (and the press) that he is leaving the country.

Chersfrozenface · 17/01/2021 20:50

@Clavinova

Are you another who thinks Remainers should f.. off to Europe?

No - but the wine importer guy has told everyone on social media (and the press) that he is leaving the country.

Well, if Brexit has made his business unviable and he has the option to leave, why wouldn't he?

He won't be the last.

But I'm sure the UK will be fi-i-i-ine with fewer entrepreneurs and highly-educated people.

jasjas1973 · 17/01/2021 21:08

Never heard of Mason.... niche gravel bike brand, who will see prices rise as imported items like everything go up in price.

But of course my point is that the UK consumer loses a market that kept prices down in the UK, so i would expect uk brands to be slightly happier, though if we all have less money to spend....

The wine merchant is going to relocate to the EU because of brexit, france will now get his taxes and employment.

I wonder what your reaction would be if a Labour Govt introduced a series of policies that drove uk businesses to Europe?

I doubt you would be so cavalier.

wewereliars · 17/01/2021 21:13

What has being half French got to do with anything? Dog whistle barrel scraping.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 21:18

I am one-quarter French myself.

wewereliars · 17/01/2021 21:22

And?

TonMoulin · 17/01/2021 21:29

@Clavinova

Are you another who thinks Remainers should f.. off to Europe?

No - but the wine importer guy has told everyone on social media (and the press) that he is leaving the country.

And?!?

But does it change anything about the fact the system isn’t working and you have to pay for it?

Are you saying that his experience doesn’t count because he is planning to leave. Not now but when his dcs have finished studying, which cod easily be in 5 years time.

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