Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
23
SwedishEdith · 17/01/2021 15:23

@Clavinova

Late again Clavinova? How's Brexit going for you?

Happily shopping at Waitrose, where dozens of products are 30% off - usual January promotions.

But don't pretend that the problems of Brexit aren't adding to it.

Undoubtedly adding to it - but hopefully 'teething problems' that can be sorted out.

Sam Lowe @SamuelMarcLowe

Jan 16
People keep saying “teething problems” as if that means they’ll be over soon but as I am currently discovering actual teething goes on on FOR YEARS.
Sam Lowe
@SamuelMarcLowe

Jan 16
10 months in and we have ... 4 1/2 teeth.

CER@CER_EU
Fish CER's trade expert
@SamuelMarcLowe
says that some of the challenges Scottish fishermen are having in exporting goods to the EU are teething problems, but others are a permanent cost of Brexit.

Radio Speaking to
@Sarah_Montague
on #bbcwato: bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000r4vn

This was a good clear interview with someone who actually knows what he's talking.

twitter.com/CER_EU/status/1349735981499310081?s=20

ListeningQuietly · 17/01/2021 15:25

The comments on the Cycling article that Clav linked show the reality ......
the highest rated on there reads

So nothing seems to be 'better' then? It's just more red tape.

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 15:27

@Clavinova

OchonAgusOchonO Oh good. Now you can help us figure out why UK companies have suspended delivery to the EU due to border delays.

Which company did you order from?

The company might not matter. The delivery company may...
OP posts:
Peregrina · 17/01/2021 15:30

I would be surprised if some people other than hedge fund managers didn't manage to find some sort of Brexit bonus. It was the same during the last war, some did OK, and not just spivs and black marketers, but I haven't heard anyone who lived through the war say it was a good thing.

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 15:31

@ListeningQuietly

The comments on the Cycling article that Clav linked show the reality ...... the highest rated on there reads So nothing seems to be 'better' then? It's just more red tape.
I thought leavers voted to get rid of red tape....

.... oh wait.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

You mean they ACTUALLY believed that?

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 15:33

Is it a good thing to be doing more trade with china than the EU right now? From a political POV.

OP posts:
Clavinova · 17/01/2021 15:34

DGRossett

The Eurostar article doesn't mention Brexit;

Eurostar's passenger numbers were down 85 percent in 2020 from the year earlier and that the group was now "on a drip" in need of extra cash to prevent it from collapsing.

All the while, travel restrictions keep getting tighter, with France announcing on Thursday that arrivals from Britain will need to observe a seven-day quarantine and undertake a PCR test at the end.

Britain already has a quarantine system in place.

Car Parts
12 Jan - Chip shortage snarls auto output worldwide.

Toyota Motor Corp. partially halted production in China Monday before resuming Tuesday while Honda Motor Co. is reducing output at five factories across North America as it becomes harder to procure chips.

Honda, which had to scale back output at its U.K. plant last week, said it will reduce manufacturing of the Accord, Civic and Insight sedans, as well as the Odyssey minivan and Acura RDX crossover. The Japanese automaker is also reducing output by about 4,000 cars at a domestic factory, while Nissan Motor Co. is adjusting production of its Note hatchback.

www.autonews.com/manufacturing/chip-shortage-snarls-auto-output-worldwide

Mistigri · 17/01/2021 15:36

It's very telling that cutnpastinova couldn't find anything to cut and paste that was positive - just a bunch of people saying it wasn't too bad, that they were absorbing costs for the moment and dealing with problems.

Nothing on fishing. Nothing on pork. Nothing on the imminent collapse of Welsh seaports. Nothing on the absolutely disgraceful treatment of foreign lorry drivers - which should be a matter of national shame.

DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 15:38

@Peregrina

I would be surprised if some people other than hedge fund managers didn't manage to find some sort of Brexit bonus. It was the same during the last war, some did OK, and not just spivs and black marketers, but I haven't heard anyone who lived through the war say it was a good thing.
There might be a "bonus", but that will be paid out of a declining economic base overall. If a lot of people lose out, simple statistics suggests a few will gain.

If they weren't so pig headededly stupid and dislikeable in debate, another, younger DGR might have felt sorry for Leavers. Because (like Trumpers) they have been well stitched up, and lined up to take all the flak while the scum they followed are nowhere to be seen. but just as Donald is going to leave his footsoldiers doing jailtime, Farage, JRM and their ilk are going to be leaving Leavers to serve time - along with the rest of the UK - while they lecture us about "believing more".

TatianaBis · 17/01/2021 15:39

cutnpastinova 😂

TatianaBis · 17/01/2021 15:39

Have to be careful how you type that.

Mistigri · 17/01/2021 15:40

Eurostar though is most mainly not a Brexit issue - Eurostar is a passenger operation (freight is completely separate) so the collapse in volumes is mainly a covid issue.

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 15:41

Just about sums things up....

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
OP posts:
Clavinova · 17/01/2021 15:43

It's very telling that cutnpastinova couldn't find anything to cut and paste that was positive

Mason is using this as an opportunity for development...

“One way we're achieving this is making sure we adhere to best practises for all our internal processes. In this case, it means that our export documentation and logistics records systems are fully automated, accurate and handled electronically. This yields benefits for all of our sales channels and we anticipate company-wide operations improvements.”

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 15:44

I would agree that the potential collapse of Eurostar is mostly due to Covid.

But, but but.... if I have to be like the Leavers were until Johnson's deal got voted through - we managed during the War i.e. we used to manage with ferries, and then getting on the train at Calais Maritime. It will be like the old days when I was young, with blue passports being stamped. Pity I can't take 50 years off my age while we are about it.

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 15:46

Come back and tell us in six months Clavinova about those business, and how the red tape did indeed make them 'match fit'.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 15:50

Come back and tell us in six months Clavinova about those business, and how the red tape did indeed make them 'match fit'.

I will.

Mistigri · 17/01/2021 15:51

Also, on auto parts (area of professional expertise). I don't need to cutnpaste because I have opinions that can be expressed with 90% of what I write being outright plagiarism.

There are a number of issues facing the U.K. auto industry. Brexit is one, and it's a important one, as is Covid (labour shortages). However the semiconductor shortage is genuine and is affecting car companies around the world. It mainly comes back to covid - semiconductor manufacturers reduced production back in Q1 and Q2 2020 due to covid, and also diverted supplies towards consumer electronics which have been doing well due to increased remote working. Then when auto production came back quicker than expected (especially electric vehicles which use a lot of electronic components) manufacturers couldn't keep up.

Important to be honest about what is caused by Brexit and what isn't. Fishing, issues with food distribution, impending collapse of Welsh ports and dramatic drop in cross channel freight traffic - 100% Brexit. Eurostar - not Brexit. Auto plant shutdowns - a bit of Brexit but quite a lot of covid and other things.

ListeningQuietly · 17/01/2021 15:51

The Cyclists can see through the idiocy of Brexit, even if certain posters cannot
road.cc/content/news/new-vat-rules-see-eu-brands-stop-online-sales-uk-shoppers-279929

road.cc/content/news/planet-x-customers-continent-paying-uk-vat-280099

Mistigri · 17/01/2021 15:51

Without 90% being plagiarism - I may be good at having opinions but I am not good at proof reading lol

ListeningQuietly · 17/01/2021 15:53

The key point about Brexit overlapping with COVID will be when the Lockdown restrictions ease and businesses all over the world get back on their feet
which sectors will be hardest hit in which countries
and why

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 15:54

DH has been saying since 2015 that there are massive issues with the car industry which mean that plants in the UK are at serious risk. These have only been made worse by brexit but were already an underlying issue due to changes in technology and being poorly supported by the government here in other ways.

OP posts:
Clavinova · 17/01/2021 15:57

Without 90% being plagiarism

I hope DGRossetti is taking note. Grin

ListeningQuietly · 17/01/2021 16:00

Oversupply in the European car industry was part of my Geography O Level syllabus in the 70's
Its been a gradual decline
that will accelerate due to COVID and climate change.
The key thing will be that businesses will make the cuts based on profit reasons - so anywhere no longer in the integrated supply chain
will be hit first and hit hardest.

TatianaBis · 17/01/2021 16:02

I think the aspect of Eurostar that pertains to Brexit is that faced with impact of Covid - neither country is taking responsibility to bail out and relations between Paris and London are not great.

In other circumstances one can imagine a joint Anglo-French rescue package. And that may happen eventually.

But as Macron recently slammed the border shut, I’m not sure he will be on Boris’s speed dial.