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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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TatianaBis · 22/01/2021 17:57

I agree educational and professional aspiration is jumbled with social aspiration in this class begotten isle.

DGRossetti · 22/01/2021 17:58

I wouldn't assume that someone doing an unskilled job is an unskilled person.

But you would assume that I would assume that ?

TatianaBis · 22/01/2021 17:59

@Shrillharridan

It smacks of "don't get above your station" doesn't it? Know your place. Which is, of course, EXACTLY what the farage and rees moggs of this world want. A nicely docile underclass who will tug their forlock and be grateful.
Xpost hell yeah.

Don’t get above yourself. Of course, BJ and R-M are entitled to get as far above themselves as they like.

Mamamia456 · 22/01/2021 17:59

DGRossetti - There's nothing wrong with wanting to be the best you can, but for some people their best will be an unskilled job and that's OK, and shouldn't be sneered at.

Not everyone wants a high flying job, some people don't want the stress. Health and happiness are the most important things.

And why mention a Tory Councillor, that could be true or you could have just made it up. Irrelevant.

TatianaBis · 22/01/2021 18:00

And both have been woefully promoted far above their skillset.

inquietant · 22/01/2021 18:02

@DGRossetti

I wouldn't assume that someone doing an unskilled job is an unskilled person.

But you would assume that I would assume that ?

I don't know what you think, I said I wouldn't assume it?

I thought it was just a general discussion, I didn't @ anyone.

TatianaBis · 22/01/2021 18:03

@Mamamia456

What the poster was apparently after were well paid unskilled jobs. Which is somewhat of an oxymoron.

If you want good remuneration you have to work for it. Gain a skill.

newstart1234 · 22/01/2021 18:03

I’m not in the U.K. but my village has a shared electric car, I have a subscription for around 60 miles a month which rolls over if they’re not used. I have also a bike for everyday use. I agree they’re great but I don’t know about mass market appeal. Like I say, I just don’t know enough. For example, when there is a collision my understanding is the fires are difficult to extinguish and burn very very hot. They can be left burning for even days afaik. How would this work as electric cars, and therefore collisions involving them, become more common place.

pointythings · 22/01/2021 18:04

Mamamia456 calling people liars without any supporting evidence is rude. Do better.

Of course unskilled jobs are important. But voting Leave so that your child can get one is daft when eventually post-Brexit that job is going to come with a reduction in employment rights. It was perfectly possible to get an unskilled job when we were still in the EU. I know a lot of British people who have been working those kind of jobs for years because it suits them. We didn't have to flush the economy down the toilet.

TatianaBis · 22/01/2021 18:06

And frankly there’s nothing more stressful than working zero hour contracts.

Mamamia456 · 22/01/2021 18:18

Pointythings - This is an Internet forum where people can say anything. I take what's said on here with a very huge pinch of salt.

Shrillharridan · 22/01/2021 18:21

Quite
You could be a Russian bot, for example

Shrillharridan · 22/01/2021 18:22

Don't worry leavers!...
There will be plenty of zero hours, low paid, low regulation jobs for your kids 👍
Another win!

Melassa · 22/01/2021 18:30

Re electric cars, where I live we have Car2Go (among several others), all electric and all smart cars. These are very popular for those who live in the congestion charge area as you pay €9 a year for membership, plus time used, don’t pay parking or any congestion charges. We are a 1 car family now, if I need to get around I use one of those. Everyone lives in flats in central Milan, it was getting ridiculous where 4 adults living in one flat were needing parking spaces for 4 cars, when the flats were built this wasn’t accounted for of course, which led to a lot of “creative parking” (my own DP can park on a postage stamp, an innate Milanese skill I do not possess). With these car sharing schemes so many people I know have got rid of their vehicles, thus making the city centre far more liveable.

I was looking into car sharing schemes in the U.K. for some friends who had written off their vehicle and were unable to afford a new one (furlough), but I appears they don’t exist in the U.K. they tried but failed to get any engagement from the public.

Sorry, I know the thread had moved on but I have had wine.

pointythings · 22/01/2021 18:38

@Mamamia456

Pointythings - This is an Internet forum where people can say anything. I take what's said on here with a very huge pinch of salt.
Because of course there was no endemic racism at all in the 1970s UK. None at all. Never happened.

And that completely excuses you calling DGR a liar because hey, who needs good manners?

SabrinaThwaite · 22/01/2021 18:43

I was looking into car sharing schemes in the U.K. for some friends who had written off their vehicle and were unable to afford a new one (furlough), but I appears they don’t exist in the U.K. they tried but failed to get any engagement from the public.

They do but maybe not everywhere?

My friends locally use this one:

www.co-wheels.org.uk/

Mamamia456 · 22/01/2021 18:47

Pointythings - Who needs good manners? Haha that's funny on these Brexit threads, the insults that are directed at Leavers on here.

Melassa · 22/01/2021 18:51

[quote SabrinaThwaite]I was looking into car sharing schemes in the U.K. for some friends who had written off their vehicle and were unable to afford a new one (furlough), but I appears they don’t exist in the U.K. they tried but failed to get any engagement from the public.

They do but maybe not everywhere?

My friends locally use this one:

www.co-wheels.org.uk/[/quote]
Oh really? These didn’t come up in a search. There appears to be one in their city, although will need to check where the pick up points are as one is slightly disabled. (Car2Go is pick up and drop off wherever handy) I will pass on, thanks.

SabrinaThwaite · 22/01/2021 19:02

Melassa my friends are really happy with Co-Wheels, they are very eco and just need a car a few times a month. If you put in a post code it will tell you where the nearest car location is - for instance, my nearest one is 0.4 miles away on the next door estate.

pointythings · 22/01/2021 19:07

Well, based on what happened in the immediate aftermath of the referendum, I'm inclined to believe DGR. All the simmering racism and xenophobia came out in spades. My kids were told to 'fuck off back to where you came from' at school on the 24th of July 2016 - they were born here.

A poster on the first post-vote threads suggested it would be a great idea to just deport all foreigners without due process, and if they owned property, to seize that property without recompense of any kind.

There was that great guy with the 'We won - now send them home' T-shirt.

I reckon DGR is telling the solid gold truth about what happened on his street.

Not all Leavers are racists. But all racists sure as hell are Leavers.

mrslaughan · 22/01/2021 19:09

@Mamamia456 I wonder if you are confusing professional roles vs skilled work vs completely unskilled ? I skirt the equine industry (often terrible workplace practices re pay etc.) but even the most basic role on a competition or racing yard requires a lot of skill - you need it to handle a 3/4 ton flight animal.... also the most basic role of mucking out a stable requires quite a skill - or else you end up costing your employer dearly (where every penny counts). Another industry I know intimately because it's my families business is poultry farming . In my dad's lifetime it changed from unskilled - to actually skilled - just from a bio security point of view, knowing the protocols you have to follow- and that's before you get into the other animal husbandry factors.
Both are jobs that from the outside people may assume are unskilled - but require an education- not one you receive in the classroom, but training and learning that needs to happen on the job........

The risk with properly unskilled Labour is that there is a lack of job security, and competition for those roles drives wages down and also are the jobs most likely to disappear due to automation.

Peregrina · 22/01/2021 19:10

DGRossetti - What a complete snob you sound.

And that's not meant as an insult?

pointythings · 22/01/2021 19:21

mrslaughlan my DSis runs a dressage yard and yes, no unskilled jobs there. She's set up a training programme for her new hires so they can get proper qualifications, and they get free lessons (she charges £60 an hour for non-staff and is always booked up).

She also pays sick pay, mat pay and holiday pay. When she started out in the business, she was exploited and she refuses to do that now that she's the employer, but it isn't like that in most yards.

Melassa · 22/01/2021 19:22

Re 70s racism in the U.K., I was a small child with a suntan who arrived from a foreign clime in the 70s, my DM spoke with a marked foreign accent. The amount of times we got told to go back where we came from or similar in a supposedly posh mc rural area I wouldn’t have enough fingers and toes to count on. The amusing thing was that my English family were old money with no money former “squires” of the area at the time, so a lot of noses were put out of joint when they found out.

Coquohvan · 22/01/2021 19:24

My car is electric it’s fab for a runabout, would never go back to fuel good for shopping and local trips. It would be a pain to drive for a longer distance stopping to recharge. DH’s make in the electric model would give 120mls a charge, no use for his business travel. Maybe in future years they’ll be advances on drive time.