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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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jasjas1973 · 21/01/2021 21:26

That explains why EU bicycle suppliers no longer ship to the UK.

mathanxiety · 21/01/2021 21:31

You said; 'the EU probably couldn't have done any more than it has done' - they were too slow with their advice for a start.

@Clavinova
Does that matter when each member state has its own medical and scientific advisors, and the power to implement its own policies?

Public health is a national competence. The European Commission can assert itself and request attention and try to formulate a co-ordinated response, but it is fundamentally only as likely to be effective as member states are likely to participate.

The attention any given public health issue gets also depends on how much noise there is from elsewhere. In this case, Brexit was generating a lot of noise offstage, to the point where it could be said that covid was 'offstage' and Brexit was front and centre. Other domestic political dramas among the 27 states also contributed to the lack of concerted attention.

Would you like to have seen Brussels cracking some imaginary whip?

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/15/revealed-the-inside-story-of-europes-divided-coronavirus-response
“In the latest commission budget proposal the funding for health goes from €400m to €9bn,” he said. “The whole logic is give the commission the means to support member states more. Because when Italy asked for help, nobody could give help. We also couldn’t help Italy.” The commission wants to buy equipment for the stockpile rather than rely on the generosity of member states. It wants to expand the type of equipment to cover potential chemical, biological or nuclear crises. “I see one very clear lesson,” Lenarčič said. “There is a wish of an overwhelming majority of the European public to have more Europe on issues like this.”

Ricciardi agrees. He also believes the ECDC should be a decision-making body not just advisory at times of crisis, and that the commission has to be given its head when coordination is vital. “The member states must learn that we need to prepare for this new normality – this will only be the first of a series of events,” he said. “We will have it in the future. The patterns of behaviour, trade and tourism, are changing around the world. And if we don’t realise this we are going to be seriously disappointed.”

Is this conclusion an intolerable vision, in your opinion?

Clavinova · 21/01/2021 21:42

Just been watching how the port of Holyhead is losing out to ferries that now go direct to the EU and vice versa... cut out the middle man so to speak.

Partly due to the Plaid Cymru run local council not agreeing to a suitable customs site - plus the Covid testing for drivers leaving the UK.

The UK landbridge is still the quickest route to Europe for hauliers with journeys as short as 13 hours, compared with 18 hours on the ferry to Cherbourg and up to 24 hours to Dunkirk.

mathanxiety · 21/01/2021 21:47

The fact that the former Holyhead traffic has now diverted to Rosslare-France/Netherlands has nothing whatsoever to do with Plaid Cymru, @Clavinova.

Ireland has rightly seen that reliance on the UK for its imports and exports is a potential strategic disaster.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 21:48

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jasjas1973 · 21/01/2021 21:52

@Clavinova

Just been watching how the port of Holyhead is losing out to ferries that now go direct to the EU and vice versa... cut out the middle man so to speak.

Partly due to the Plaid Cymru run local council not agreeing to a suitable customs site - plus the Covid testing for drivers leaving the UK.

The UK landbridge is still the quickest route to Europe for hauliers with journeys as short as 13 hours, compared with 18 hours on the ferry to Cherbourg and up to 24 hours to Dunkirk.

Ah yes but without Brexit they wouldn't need a "suitable" customs site would they? Its also just easier, even if longer, plus drivers are ready to drive long hours once in France etc and no delays at Dover either.

Add in the hours and money to get through the landbridge and those journey times start to diminish.

Still no gains!

ListeningQuietly · 21/01/2021 21:53

Partly due to the Plaid Cymru run local council not agreeing to a suitable customs site - plus the Covid testing for drivers leaving the UK.
Oh bless.
Stena sold off the former clearance area to a supermarket.
THe Council could not magic up more land

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 21:53

The UK is winning
Bigly

HoneysuckIejasmine · 21/01/2021 21:56

I don't recall paying when I changed the address on my license. Which I did 3 times in 3 months (temporary address, then they misread my handwriting and printed a license with an address that does not exist. Hmm so had to get a new one again.) It does reset the 10 year countdown too, bonus.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/01/2021 22:13

@ICouldHaveCheckedFirst

I was given a cold rowie after giving birth in the Mattie. Fortunately DH brought in a red cross parcel Grin

(For the uninitiated, rowies are a mixture of salt, fat and stodge, which makes them sound better than they are£.

Clavinova · 21/01/2021 22:14

mathanxiety
does not tip his hat at all wrt his choice of Remain or Leave.

I can quite clearly see a prominent heart-shaped EU flag in the Guardian article without even clicking on their link;

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/18/a-multiple-pile-up-in-the-fog-wine-agents-fury-at-brexit-red-tape

"Wine per bottle on retail will increase by at least £1 per bottle for mass market products; for niche small batch wines you are looking at £1.50 or even £2.00 on the bottle prices."

We can check the price of wine in 6-12 months time.

Would you consider the issue with the CHIEF system a minor irritation?

There wouldn't be 10,000 different combinations relating to wine.
Companies not used to the system could apply for a government funded training course/grant (or use a broker/freight forwarder);

www.pkf-francisclark.co.uk/blog/deadline-extended-for-uk-government-customs-training-grants/

Apparently, a completely new customs declaration system is being introduced in a few months time in any case, although there will be an overlap to allow businesses to transfer over to the new system;

The move to the updated Customs Declaration Service (CDC) from the CHIEF system was planned before the UK voted to leave the EU.

Mistigri · 21/01/2021 22:23

Why do people engage with bad faith and gaslighting?

Someone's just having a paddy cos Trump got his comeuppance and Brexit is going to shit.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 22:27

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Sad squirrels

Clavinova · 21/01/2021 22:27

jasjas1973
Still no gains!

Fewer diesel-guzzling lorries on our roads - less pollution from lorries only passing through our country to get somewhere else.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/01/2021 22:27

@Mistigri

Why do people engage with bad faith and gaslighting?

Someone's just having a paddy cos Trump got his comeuppance and Brexit is going to shit.

Must be exhausting to keep defending it all.

Hence resorting to swipes at Labour (although it was actually a Resolution Foundation proposal) and “oh look, someone has a nasty EU flag on their Twitter account”.

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 22:30

sabrina
Please tell me a rowie is some sort of post natal poultice for your nethers??????
😬🤮

jasjas1973 · 21/01/2021 22:33

@Clavinova

jasjas1973 Still no gains!

Fewer diesel-guzzling lorries on our roads - less pollution from lorries only passing through our country to get somewhere else.

Still no gains though. More uk unemployment, less fuel sales, less tax take, less truck services, less x ch ferries.

Did you vote Brexit to make the Uk economy smaller?

Clavinova · 21/01/2021 22:35

TatianaBis
For example, a £200 coat bought from a German website could attract 12% or £24 customs duty. VAT at 20% is then applied to the total of £224, giving a VAT bill of £44.80. Once the courier has added its £11.50 admin fee, the UK consumer must pay £80.30 to the courier on the doorstep before it will hand over the item – adding around 40% to the coat’s price.

Have you deducted German VAT from the purchase price? The customer in the UK shouldn't be paying VAT in both countries.

Clavinova · 21/01/2021 22:36

Still no gains though.

A big gain for the environment.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/01/2021 22:37

@Shrillharridan

sabrina Please tell me a rowie is some sort of post natal poultice for your nethers?????? 😬🤮
If only.

Although, TBF, it would probably have been put to better use there.

Clavinova · 21/01/2021 22:39

Must be exhausting to keep defending it all.

No - I've had a few days off. Grin Going to watch TV now.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/01/2021 22:44

I’d also add that the Mattie was great, I timed it well and ended up with a private room (once DH explained that he wasn’t taking me home at 3am in a snowstorm).

I ended up in a cleaned out store room when I had the eldest in England, despite the hospital tour promising aromatherapy and whale music (the nurses were lovely and let me use their shower though).

Shrillharridan · 21/01/2021 22:45

www.bbc.co.uk/news
Still winning
Bigly

Jason118 · 21/01/2021 22:45

The environment??? Groupage is causing this, going to Italy.

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
SabrinaThwaite · 21/01/2021 22:56

More winning here:

One of Wales' largest lamb exporters says the extra cost and paperwork of selling meat into the EU means it is making "virtually nothing".

"If the export paperwork and documentation and controls either side of the border continue, I think we will have to make redundancies," he [Randall Parker Food's general manager Dale Williams] said.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-55719498

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