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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Peregrina · 19/01/2021 12:01

Not an unforeseen problem at all. It sickens me, but we know from their behaviour that Johnson's Tories don't value the lives of anyone but themselves and their cronies.

ListeningQuietly · 19/01/2021 12:10

RTB
I'd have popped up in the background waving a map !!!!

Depressing how poorly informed so many people are

DGRossetti · 19/01/2021 13:03

Is it just me, or is it every day a new story ?

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-construction-house-building-brexit-covid19-exodus-skilled-workers-112326980.html

Numbers of European Union-born professionals working in the UK’s skilled construction and building trade dropped off by 46% in 2019.

That’s according to new research released by the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford. In 2018, ONS data listed 208,000 EU-born construction professionals. This petered off to a total of 113,000 the following year.

Construction industry experts now warn that the exodus of skilled EU workers is the result of Brexit, as well as COVID-19, and requires immediate government attention to avoid staff shortages.

Peregrina · 19/01/2021 13:12

DGR that ought to be a Brexit bonus - we are constantly told how EU citizens are taking our jobs and people like Polish plumbers are usually singled out.

So good, we expect to see the big building firms use some of their profits to start up apprenticeship schemes both for young people and those needing to retain now that the Covid shut down has destroyed their jobs. What's stopping them, can't be EU Red Tape can it?

borntobequiet · 19/01/2021 13:21

What's stopping them, can't be EU Red Tape can it?

Apprenticeships are drowning in red tape. The admin burden is very heavy, funding is Byzantine and experienced staff leave in droves because they spend far more time dealing with paperwork than properly supporting learners. I speak from experience.

Peregrina · 19/01/2021 13:23

Ah but was it EU Red Tape? EU Red Tape is bad, but UK Red Tape is good, and makes firms better.

borntobequiet · 19/01/2021 13:24

No it’s all of our own making.

borntobequiet · 19/01/2021 13:28

And we’ve now lost an income stream from the EU Social Fund, which helped some people to get the qualifications that enabled them to apply for an apprenticeship.
Lots of people don’t seem to realise that to get on some apprenticeships you need “good” GCSE grades (C/4 or above) in English and Maths, or Level 2 Functional Skills.

DGRossetti · 19/01/2021 13:29

@Peregrina

Ah but was it EU Red Tape? EU Red Tape is bad, but UK Red Tape is good, and makes firms better.
UK Red Tape makes money for UK middlemen. You know. People with fuck all experience of anything who slide themselves between money and delivery, shaving another % off as they go.
ListeningQuietly · 19/01/2021 14:59

DGR
Ah yes, the expansion of the rentier economy.

Lots of extraction, little production.

DGRossetti · 19/01/2021 15:13

@ListeningQuietly

DGR Ah yes, the expansion of the rentier economy.

Lots of extraction, little production.

mobile phone resellers ?
RedToothBrush · 19/01/2021 15:15

I must admit, I am considering whether going into customs red tape is worthwhile as a career choice in the next couple of years (once DS is safely back in school).

Train up and then go self employed....

Must be a lot like bookkeeping/accounting really.

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Ellie56 · 19/01/2021 15:19

Certainly seems the way to go Red.

TartrazineCustard · 19/01/2021 15:20

Customs Red Tape As a Service, surely. (Where's a venture capitalist when I need one?)

ListeningQuietly · 19/01/2021 16:36

Must be a lot like bookkeeping/accounting really.
WinkGrin

TatianaBis · 19/01/2021 16:39

It sounds like an awfully dull job. And why do Brexiters jobs for them.

DGRossetti · 19/01/2021 16:47

@RedToothBrush

I must admit, I am considering whether going into customs red tape is worthwhile as a career choice in the next couple of years (once DS is safely back in school).

Train up and then go self employed....

Must be a lot like bookkeeping/accounting really.

Why the fuck would you want to develop a career in an industry that almost every other country in the world is looking to make a thing of the past ?

You know what ? You do that, and I'll look at servicing steam engines ...

Mistigri · 19/01/2021 17:12

I don't think it's foolish at all to look at going into shipping/customs.

My employer has spent the last 18 months beefing up its teams of supply chain specialists. Even if (massive if) the U.K. rejoins the CU, there will always be work on non-EU trade.

Mistigri · 19/01/2021 17:17

Bank of France saying that 2500 jobs and at least €170 billion have moved to Paris because of Brexit.

There's your Brexit dividend...

DGRossetti · 19/01/2021 17:23

@Mistigri

Bank of France saying that 2500 jobs and at least €170 billion have moved to Paris because of Brexit.

There's your Brexit dividend...

Wait the the US companies start to move in,

A very good point - and one which starts to underscore why Brexit hurts the US, rather than just being "a thing" - was that previously US industries could base in the UK and have access to the UK government to fight their corner in Europe.

This matters because the US is fundamentally a low regulation, low tax economy, and the EU generally a high regulated, high taxed collection of economies. So there will be clashes - as the Google/Apple flare ups show.

So now there is now fuck all point in Google being in the UK. Or Apple. Because there is now fuck all point lobbying the UK government to fight their case in the EU. If US tech - or indeed any US industry (not company. Whole industry sectors) want to chew the fat over EU regulations, they may as well go straight to Paris. Or Berlin. And that hurts.

Peregrina · 19/01/2021 17:24

I thought the strapline was "We hold all the cards." Jobs moving to France, Ireland - France and Ireland -NL ferry services booming, fish being landed in Denmark. It sounds as though it should have been "They hold all the cards."

prettybird · 19/01/2021 17:25

....but when not if the double dip recession hits, it will of course Wink be exclusively because of Covid Hmm

No other contributing factors, no siree Confused

ListeningQuietly · 19/01/2021 17:33

Customs Clearance and compliance will be an industry for a long time yet
and it is not boring
just saying Smile

Peregrina · 19/01/2021 17:41

I image that customs clearance will be with us for at least five years. It's utterly cockeyed that a country which thinks it's a trading nation should want to make it more difficult to do so.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 19/01/2021 17:41

@RedToothBrush

I must admit, I am considering whether going into customs red tape is worthwhile as a career choice in the next couple of years (once DS is safely back in school).

Train up and then go self employed....

Must be a lot like bookkeeping/accounting really.

Make sure you charge double to companies who were pro Brexit. Grin