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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Peregrina · 18/01/2021 10:55

I would like to see CV eradicated, but I also note that it's something of a disease of poverty, which I would like to see steps taken to eradicate.

For all Johnson's blather about 'levelling up' I don't expect that to happen; poverty will continue to blight lives in this country.

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 10:58

We should all be glad about neighbouring states doing well with vaccination. I expected the U.K. to do well (truly national health services should be good at this sort of thing). I also expect the French and Germans to get a good handle on this pretty quickly. If the French can process up and sometimes over 700,000 covid tests a day with a

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 10:59

Does anyone know how the U.K. is reporting second doses? There are definitely quite a lot of people who have had both doses, as both my ILs and my mum are now fully vaccinated.

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 11:01

I am however disappointed that the fishing lorries appear to be taking a very British approach to their protest. If they were French, Downing Street would have been evacuated by now due to the smell of rotting fish.

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2021 11:05

@Mistigri

Does anyone know how the U.K. is reporting second doses? There are definitely quite a lot of people who have had both doses, as both my ILs and my mum are now fully vaccinated.
They don't appear to be.

The Welsh First Minister has just announced the most barking policy yet. They are going to hold back on some vaccinations as they don't get new stock until Feb and they don't want vaccinators 'sitting around doing nothing'. It strikes me Wales are already facing issues scaling up their logistics and having issues with supply for some reason.

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DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 11:06

Normal service resumed at the BBC. It must be hard to type with all that soap on your hands

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55702243

Soaring shipping costs are likely to cause a bounce in the cost of trampolines in the UK this summer, according to one games retailer.

James Owen, owner of Outdoor Toys, says high transport costs and port congestion may mean larger toys such as swings, trampolines and climbing frames will be more expensive.

Trampoline prices could soar by 40-50%, he told BBC 5 Live's Wake Up to Money.

"The port congestion just keeps snowballing," he said.

"More and more issues keep arising," Mr Owen added. "We can't get space out of China, there's a container shortage.

"Hauliers are really stretched, rates keep climbing."

(contd)

mysteriously, it doesn't actually say why this is happening now.

At this rate Brexit will have been removed from BBC-speak by February. They'll never speak of it again.

Sostenueto · 18/01/2021 11:09

Seafood protestors made it to Westminster 😁

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 11:17

@Sostenueto

Seafood protestors made it to Westminster 😁
A Westminster which shrugged of a million protesters and a 6 million plus signature. They won't even break stride to ignore these losers.

Especially as there is an important benefits bill to vote down to make sure there's plenty of lolly lefty for the old cronies.

(Because Boris hasn't even begun to shovel public money to his mates. It's only been crumbs so far. The real steal is yet to happen.)

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2021 11:17

www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-55702243?__twitter_impression=true
Trampoline prices 'to soar 50% on shipping costs'

James Owen, owner of Outdoor Toys, says high transport costs and port congestion may mean larger toys such as swings, trampolines and climbing frames will be more expensive.

Trampoline prices could soar by 40-50%, he told BBC 5 Live's Wake Up to Money.

"The port congestion just keeps snowballing," he said.

"More and more issues keep arising," Mr Owen added. "We can't get space out of China, there's a container shortage.

"Hauliers are really stretched, rates keep climbing."

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ListeningQuietly · 18/01/2021 11:18

LeClerc reckons we should watch this

(am working will watch it later)

Re Vaccine rollout - lots of people are booking jabs round here
just that they are phoning me as my number is similar to the booking number Grin

RedToothBrush · 18/01/2021 11:20

Embassy of Ireland in the Netherlands @IrelandinNL
We welcome @samskip's announcement of a new direct container shipping route between Dublin & Amsterdam, which will link our two countries ever more closely.

The first sailing between the 🇮🇪 & 🇳🇱 capitals is next Monday. Stay tuned!

Details:
www.samskip.com/news/samskip-launches-direct-container-services-between-amsterdam-and-ireland/

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Mistigri · 18/01/2021 11:24

It strikes me Wales are already facing issues scaling up their logistics and having issues with supply for some reason.

Yep, my 90 year old uncle hasn't had one dose yet.

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 11:25

90 year old uncle in west Wales

Clavinova · 18/01/2021 11:28

Peregrina
since I have a DD who had difficulty getting back to her country of residence

Covid related I'm sure - what documents did she intend to travel with in the event of a 'no-deal'? The same ones I imagine - deal or not.

And yes, I 100% blame Johnson for ... not getting a deal until the last moment. these sorts of details would have been sorted out months earlier.

They were sorted out - July last year;

First, I want to assure you that all British nationals, who are legally resident in Spain by the end of this year, will have their rights protected...

And second, whether you already have the green residency certificate – A4 or credit card-sized version – or in the future the TIE, they are equally valid in demonstrating your residence status and your rights as a beneficiary of the Withdrawal Agreement.

And whilst you may choose to exchange your current certificate for a TIE at some point in the future, there is no requirement to do so. The green residency document gives you the same rights as the new TIE card. So please be assured on that point.

There is one group of people who must take action. If you live here, but don’t already have a green residency certificate, you must apply for the new TIE as soon as possible.

www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/07/07/spanish-government-launches-new-residency-document-for-uk-nationals/

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 11:30

My memory is that squirrels don't hibernate so much as have long sleeps but wake occasionally in mild spells.

A lot of research into human hibernation for future space travel. The genes are there. Can they be tweaked ?

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 11:33

Covid related I'm sure

Covid related, but fundamentally due to Brexit, because the rules that apply to U.K. citizens are not the same as for EU citizens.

There is still considerable uncertainty and confusion about many of the processes for U.K. citizens resident in the EU - there is a big mess over driving licences in France for eg.

Mistigri · 18/01/2021 11:35

Phenomenal how the Ireland-France ferry routes have ramped up. Rosslare port volumes have risen by 500%. Holyhead and Fishguard volumes have fallen by >70% and people in the industry think that neither will survive Brexit (Pembroke might).

But hey the English don't care about Welsh jobs do they.

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 11:38

@Mistigri

Phenomenal how the Ireland-France ferry routes have ramped up. Rosslare port volumes have risen by 500%. Holyhead and Fishguard volumes have fallen by >70% and people in the industry think that neither will survive Brexit (Pembroke might).

But hey the English don't care about Welsh jobs do they.

I am cheered that Ireland is at least trying to make the best of Brexit.

I really do think the next step in any pushback needs to be to point out what a success Brexit has been for the EU. A few gloaty headlines in English in Le Monde or Der Speigel might just cause the self destruction of the ERG.

Clavinova · 18/01/2021 11:41

Seafood protestors made it to Westminster

A crab seller from Dartmouth was speaking on LBC earlier - he didn't describe himself as a 'protester.' He mentioned that a catch/load from another seller had been rejected in France because the paperwork was 0.7 kg out - he wants the process 'streamlined.'

DGRossetti · 18/01/2021 11:44

Scurid - or murid ?

I have to offer a choice, because some people do like their mice and hamsters.

Not a pet person myself, but I do like squirrels (probably because I'm a tad ignorant about nature Smile) especially when they seem to be (or maybe really are) playing together on our lawn.

So definitely Scurid here.

borntobequiet · 18/01/2021 11:47

@DGRossetti

My memory is that squirrels don't hibernate so much as have long sleeps but wake occasionally in mild spells.

A lot of research into human hibernation for future space travel. The genes are there. Can they be tweaked ?

They wake a lot and then go out. Presumably to Waitrose or the farm shop for acorns.
jasjas1973 · 18/01/2021 11:51

Love the way Clav dismisses anecdotal evidence.

Nothing can ever be laid at the door of Bojo or Brexit, always someone else's fault.
Germany -
www.bike24.com/p2215209.html?menu=1000,4,27

UK -
www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-ultegra-r8000-11-speed-cassette-1

Pre Brexit, Wiggle etc had to compete with EU prices, now they don't so charge rrp.

Many bike parts and whole groupsets aren't even available in the UK now, this has never happened in the past (its been mine and my partners interest for 20 years plus and as the EU can get them, not CV related.

borntobequiet · 18/01/2021 11:56

The Republic of Ireland has a great deal to offer (as I’ve said before), and a great deal to gain now the UK has deliberately crippled itself.
Predominantly English speaking. A young, well educated population. Strength in IT, pharmaceuticals, finance. Resilient. Very close ties with the USA, especially now with Joe “I’m Irish” Biden in charge (hooray). And a member of the EU.

Peregrina · 18/01/2021 12:04

Peregrina since I have a DD who had difficulty getting back to her country of residence

Covid related I'm sure - what documents did she intend to travel with in the event of a 'no-deal'? The same ones I imagine - deal or not.

And yes, I 100% blame Johnson for ... not getting a deal until the last moment. these sorts of details would have been sorted out months earlier.

They were sorted out - July last year;

BOLLOCKS Clavinova, BOLLOCKS, BOLLOCKS.

Exactly the same documents that she was able to travel with freely in August, when Covid was also raging, or have you forgotten that?

And helpful as a Cutn'paste is about Spain, I have nowhere mentioned which country she is in, am not going to, but would just Like To Tell You In Simple Words - There Are 26 Other EU Countries.

mrslaughan · 18/01/2021 12:04

There's supply issue with the Oxford vaccine. They are going to be soaking back production - so they can make changes to the production line - so that they can produce more on a daily basis.

Isn't Wales reliant on being allocated the vaccine via Westminster?

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