Westministenders: The Beginning of Negotiations

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Transition has a few hours left.

Then negotiations start and trade stops.

Far from being over, there are huge numbers of issues that lay unresolved.

And businesses both now in the UK and EU will cease to trade with each other just because the red tape is such a pain.

So whilst people will celebrate and think things are 'done' that just shows how much people are paying attention.

It will be interesting to see people gradually realising what has been lost...

But most leave voters in GB didn't (and still don't) care about the GFA or NI.

England.

Yes. But most leave voters in GB didn't (and still don't) care about the GFA or NI

In these very threads, a couple of years ago, Brexiteers were crystal clear that if it was the Union, or Brexit, they wanted Brexit. That's before Boris was elected.

In fact I can see history being framed as the Union being the ultimate price of Brexit.

It's certainly true of Tory voters that if it's Brexit or the Union, then Brexit wins. There have been polls to show this. Tory voters are mostly English.

I think the Tory voters would be more than happy to see the back of NI and Scotland.

The irony is, the more they push to undermine the GFA or to reduce links with the republic, the closer a united Ireland is.

Added to the irony that having removed the cancer that was the UK, the EU might end up being even more powerful with fewer members.

@Peregrina

But most leave voters in GB didn't (and still don't) care about the GFA or NI.

England.

Did the Scottish or Welsh leave voters care about the GFA or NI? If so, how were they able to reconcile their vote with the impact on the GFA?

I'm only going on threads here and news reports, which have, I suppose, been England centric.

@Peregrina

I think the Tory voters would be more than happy to see the back of NI and Scotland.

In which case the SNPs job is to subtly put them behind Boris.

It's a shame Labour have fallen for the trap though. They've nailed their colours to a mast that doesn't exist anymore. Boris can U turn on anything as it suits him. Starmer can't.

@TerryHearn

Who’s paying our share? Any ideas?

Why does it matter to you if the UK is out of the EU? Surely this s now up to the EU to get organised....

I have to say I find it interesting to see that many newspapers like the Express are still putting big headlines about the EU and EU countries as if what is happening there still had an impact on the UK. (Not about covid btw)
I mean we've left ahvent we?

Another example of our Government demonstrating that there is one rule for them and one for us. This time Rees-Mogg, is the culprit.

Thread us moving too fast for me, but the posts are the usual high standard so it all takes time to read.

Just popping in to say:
@OchonAgusOchonO - they are known as "small pipes" and
@DGRossetti - thanks for mentioning the death of Robin Birley (last thread?). I grew up watching Border TV, which covered the great work he did at Vindolanda. If you haven't visited, I recommend it (when restrictions allow, obvs).

I'm a (lapsed) Catholic. You don't need to go to some Latin Mass to fulfill your spiritual needs. That's why the Vatican got rid of the Latin Mass in the 1960s. No actual devout Catholic I've ever known bothers with them. It's absolutely NOT essential.
Arsewipe!

But that was for mass Peregrina and in Latin (which he wouldn’t have understood a word off)

So surely you dint need to follow the rules for that ?!?

@bellinisurge, mass in latin are making a come back in France.

But only with the basically fanatics with some very questionable ideas on the place of women, racism, bigotry and the like

It's all sky fairy nonsense anyway.

But I note the regulations were should not as opposed to must not.

Personally I'd suggest JRM finds a more powerful God that can be reached from home. If I can get NetFlix at home, surely he can get the almighty ?

@bellinisurge

I'm a (lapsed) Catholic. You don't need to go to some Latin Mass to fulfill your spiritual needs. That's why the Vatican got rid of the Latin Mass in the 1960s. No actual devout Catholic I've ever known bothers with them. It's absolutely NOT essential. Arsewipe!

Latin mass is for the very conservative, very regressive, catholics. They generally don't agree with the liberalisations that came about as part of the 2nd vatican council.

The latin mass was banned but JP2 lifted the ban in certain circumstances.

Jethro Tull did a song on the "Aqualung" album (content warning) called "Wind Up" which has a general thrust that you shouldn't need to wind up your God every Sunday.

But I note the regulations were should not as opposed to must not.

So of course, he chose to set the Cummings example of there being one rule for the plebs and another for them.

I have just looked it up: Vatican II was 1962- 65.
Rees-Mogg was born in 1969, so the Latin mass isn't something that he would have grown up with and stuck to because it was familiar.

Just got back from doing a massive supermarket run.

All dry goods in stock.
Chilled goods looking a bit ropey
but
No Mozarella
which
(a) makes me sad as I love it and use it a lot
(b) means NOBODY can overtake my prize as the biggest purchase of it

And in today's edition of Cronyism Today - the next chairman of the BBC is Rishi Sunak’s ex-boss at Goldman Sachs, who has made donations to the Conservative party...

That's why the Vatican got rid of the Latin Mass in the 1960s. No actual devout Catholic I've ever known bothers with them. It's absolutely NOT essential.

Ah but don’t forget he is a lizard from the 18th century disguised in human skin.... His mission to take us back there.

I also doubt very much he doesn’t understand a word of it, I have an image of him sitting hunched over a desk in the dark dank cellar of his dark dank mansion with an illuminated manuscript open before him whipping himself as he reads the entire bible in Latin, The whipping will become especially fevered when it comes to passages that he has taken to mean that women should know their place, that sex should only be between men and women and that women and

Children should obey men, especially him

Seen on Facebook: Leamoaners.

Brexitears

@ListeningQuietly

Just got back from doing a massive supermarket run.

All dry goods in stock.
Chilled goods looking a bit ropey
but
No Mozarella
which
(a) makes me sad as I love it and use it a lot
(b) means NOBODY can overtake my prize as the biggest purchase of it

I have a recipe for making mozzarella ... you’d need milk, rennet, citric acid and non-iodised salt.

Made a goats cheese yesterday which is proving popular (not much left already).

Meanwhile...the sunlit uplands are a bit cloudy

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4127522-Tax-on-goods-from-EU-surely-not-correct