What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

[Elephant4]

In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

I for one would vote to let them go.

This is a really, really big problem for Johnson. Hard to be a credible unionist when your own base hates the Scottish and want rid.

This is one reason why I'm so confident that Brexit having happened will give wings to the independence movement.

Since Scotland's plan seems to be to leave the UK and Rejoin the EU, are the Scottish prepared to lose the life style they have.
Taxes would have to be raised and spending cut in order to qualify on an economic level.

Well, the gaslighting has started from my local MP., and I see on SM and the press. Lauding possible changes that will be made because we are out of the EU - when in reality we could have made these changes when within the EU.

These will be falsely heralded as Brexit ‘wins’ - are, and have been throughout this sorry era. The test will be what UK legislation is actually needed to be brought forward as a priority, to change and move away from EU standards and directives, in whatever direction.

The PR will all be lapped up with gusto and no small amount of desperation, I’m sure. Fake news frenzy!! Be on your guard, and do your own research.

Actual Brexit benefits - will be interesting to discover what these might be.

@Whythesadface

Since Scotland's plan seems to be to leave the UK and Rejoin the EU, are the Scottish prepared to lose the life style they have. Taxes would have to be raised and spending cut in order to qualify on an economic level.

Independence being about sovereignty and freedom and not about the economic argument?

Sounds familiar 🤔

It's legitimately hilarious that the Tories have single-handedly destroyed the best argument against Scottish independence.

If anyone’s interested:
ukandeu.ac.uk

Since Scotland's plan seems to be to leave the UK and Rejoin the EU, are the Scottish prepared to lose the life style they have.

We'll cut our cloth accordingly, we're a sensible bunch.

I'll take independence and self-determination over being stuck with whatever the voters of England chose to inflict on us, even if it means a further period of disruption and new borders as that's exactly what we've just been given by the brexit we didn't vote for.

England are still going to buy what we produce and once we're back in the EU the rUK will have to deal with us as part of a large trading bloc not as 'exes with history'.

Hilarious tweets from Tory MPs. Cut the tampon tax because we left the EU. But Germany already did it and the only reason we have a Tampon tax is because Conservatives refused to reclassify tampons

A country can use its powers of self-determination to become independent from a bigger trading bloc, and flourish.

If it's good enough for the UK, it's good enough for Scotland.

Terry thanks for the link from 29 Oct 2020. It hasn't aged well, but thanks anyway.

@Walkintal

Unexpectedly Covid vaccines www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/27/vaccination-rolls-out-across-europe-but-anger-remains-over-late-start. Germany, for example, has only 400,000 does until March - we have already immunised this many people and they need 2 doses each. Other benefits (such as reformed CAP and animal protection laws) have been announced. Other benefits are available once the UK govt (this one or a future one) decides to do them.

All EU countries could have done this. They decided to wait until the vaccine was authorised by the EMA. The MHRA did not approve the vaccine as such; they only gave approval for batches of an unlicensed medicine. They then still have to approve the subsequent batches of the vaccine.

The EU looked at the quality, safety and efficacy as part the clinical evaluation. I don't think the MHRA had all the details of the quality aspect.

Interestingly, following the EMA's approval/opinion of the vaccine itself (not just single batches), the UK's MHRA will then rubber-stamp this decision and paste it for the UK; without being part of that decision. According to their own rules.

Is that a big benefit?

Disclaimer: the MHRA comprises wonderful employees who were very respected and influential in the EU. This is in no way a slight on them.

@TerryHearn

We gained several million Remoaners who seem to have Stockholm syndrome over the EU. We haven’t even moved out of the transition period yet and they are demanding to see a list of Brexit effects. They’ll have to wait. No one cares what they think. They aren’t driving the car anymore. They are strapped into the child seat in the back. Better put their dummy back in.

A car being driven by a drunk stoner, by the look of it.

We can have the point based system on immigration so instead of EU immigrants getting all the spaces and not many spaces left for rest of the world we can welcome immigrants from all over the world into UK. We can get a better balance.

We can do trade deals with other countries as well as the EU. We are already buying less from EU than we did 6 years ago. Other markets are growing and are offering better deals. We now have trade deals worth 900 billion and more still to sign.

We won't have to pay £billions to EU annually apart from what we already owe. The UK was one of only 4 net contributers other 24 countries took out more every year than they contributed. Now we can choose where to direct our money before the EU dictated where our funding had to be spent.

Our fishermen will get a few more fish back over the next 5 1/2 years during which time we can rebuild fishing industry. Then agree on an annual basis.

We can set up free ports to bring jobs to coastal areas of high unemployment.

We can ditch the tampon tax.

We can try to join trans Pacific trading partnership which involves free trading, but not political like EU.

We can still be allies to the EU.

The EU wasted so much money moving to and fro every month instead of having a permanent headquarters. They refused to change or lower extortionate budgets.

The EU are heading towards an European army. Now the UK have left this will speed up. If the UK were still there who do you think would be funding this with only 4 net contributers? I see Ireland are going to pay more now as will many other countries. I don't think it is fair to expect countries like Germany and the UK where retirement is not until 67 to support countries who retire much earlier and do not contribute as much.

It is easier to move quickly as a single country like UK did in securing vaccines. EU having to get the agreement of 27 countries took far longer and missed out. We will have enough vaccine to vacinate all in the UK who want a vaccine. It will take the EU much longer to achieve this. Too many countries slows things down.

@TerryHearn

If we’d had a Referendum on the Maastricht Treaty then we would have given our consent to what the EU looks like today. Freedom of movement and ever closer political union. John Major pushed it through with help from Heseltine and Ken Clarke without proper consent. Now we find ourselves out of the EU altogether. Only have themselves to blame.

And we've left without proper consent.

Or is that somehow different?

@caringcarer Without wishing to seem rude, I suggest you look into each of your points in more detail.

It's like the last four years never happened. Selective dementia.

@Mamamia456

Karmanomore - Tesco does not employ people on zero hour contracts. I doubt Aldi does either, at my local Aldi the staff I chat to are usually on 10 hour shifts.

My DB delivers for Tesco. More or less no one at his site have a permanent contract, just rolling 3 month temporary ones.

A very large govt dept had 1 of its computer systems relating to Brexit crash at around 2am this morning.
A team of very skilled but overpaid IT consultants (several of whom are ironically EU nationals) fixed it while being paid double time.
One of them was my DH so there’s a benefit of Brexit right there ( for us anyway)
I imagine it won’t be the only incident

@caringcarer Without wishing to seem rude, I suggest you look into each of your points in more detail.

It's the usual stock list of if, thens, maybes, without any proper analysis.

One of them was my DH so there’s a benefit of Brexit right there ( for us anyway) Nice! It's an ill wind...and all that. (Which dept was that I wonder? HMRC?)

Meanwhile less than 24 hours in from NI partially being severed from the rest of the UK, six trucks have been turned away at Holyhead for having incorrect paperwork. This being a Bank Holiday, is a quiet day.

Delighted that HoppingGreen has a positive
and that EU nationals helped out the UK in its time of need

I believe it was a German (DH) and Italian, a Pole and an Indian who saved the day.
DH is on call until Monday now so ££££££££££££!!!!
Cheers Brexit

Peregrina I couldn’t possibly say which govt dept (yes you’re right)

@Hoppinggreen

I believe it was a German (DH) and Italian, a Pole and an Indian who saved the day. DH is on call until Monday now so ££££££££££££!!!! Cheers Brexit

At least the EU gravy train won’t be on call ever again. We’ll be saving far more money paying your husband to do his normal job than we will paying a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.

Well they’ve all got 12 month contracts so I wouldn’t be celebrating just yet.

And the stock comebacks continue!