What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

[Elephant4]

In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

Sour grapes (French grapes).

@TerryHearn

Sour grapes (French grapes).

You really are a very stupid person, aren't you?

And I guess that's the only positive thing that has come out of Brexit - for me at least, the realisation (the proof indeed for all the world to see if it needs it) you cannot argue with stupid. It's pointless.

Have you got your cut-out-n-keep guide from the Daily Mail today Terry?

I must be missing something but there doesn't seem too much on there to celebrate.

@TerryHearn
Are you Julia Hartley Brewer?

🤣🤣🤣 I am amazed this is still being asked to be honest. The answer is nothing. We have lost an awful lot though unfortunately. As have our children and their grandchildren.

I suppose at a massive reach to try to find a positive, stupid people now feel validated in their choices? Although unfortunately that'll be temporary, when their companies make them redundant, their basic living costs rise sharply, and their basic employment rights etc are downgraded. So I am not sure that really counts as a positive as their joy will be so short-lived. Would the shadefreude of others who told them not to do this be considered a positive? There may be plenty of that to go around, even if there are few fresh vegetables. Can one eat shadenfreude as part of a balanced diet? I'd be happy to donate some.

Training and development opportunities for our school and uni leavers. My firm has re-established its previously defunct grad scheme and are looking to recruit and train up 3 actuaries. This has been unheard of over the past 10 years. When they needed actuaries previously they would recruit them fully trained from a large European pool and save on the development costs. Now they’re having to train them up, and those opportunities are opening up again for the grads. OP asked for a benefit, and this one is already becoming apparent in my industry.

@FortunesFavour

Training and development opportunities for our school and uni leavers. My firm has re-established its previously defunct grad scheme and are looking to recruit and train up 3 actuaries. This has been unheard of over the past 10 years. When they needed actuaries previously they would recruit them fully trained from a large European pool and save on the development costs. Now they’re having to train them up, and those opportunities are opening up again for the grads. OP asked for a benefit, and this one is already becoming apparent in my industry.

Great. But the work in financial services is going to go downhill now as a direct result of Brexit. Whoch presumably if you work in the industry, you know? So such opportunities will be short lived and the actuaries you train may well end up going to work abroad. Wonderful own goal screwing our best performing industry and excluding it from the trade deal so now it is has huge barriers of trade with its largest market. 👏👏👏

I'd also love to know about your school leaver programme which trains people to become actuaries. As far as I know, for the people in my profession, you need A level maths then a maths, accounting or science- based degree then an extensive professional qualification to become an actuary. And apparently your firm is suddenly funding all of this for school leavers now but wasn't before. I'll admit that I'm sceptical (being generous).

Yes PolkadotGiraffe, I do work in Financial Services. Do you? In my sector it is certainly not a foregone conclusion that Brexit will will be disadvantageous. We have lost passporting rights in the EU, but we have spent 2 years preparing for this probable outcome and we implemented our solution over a year ago now which is fully compliant and is working well. Time will tell.

However my original point stands - in my industry opportunities for U.K. grads are opening up which simply weren’t there when they could cherry pick from wherever and not bother with a training and development budget. This is a fact, your point is purely speculative.

PolkadotGiraffe - you seem a bit confused about actuarial career paths. How do you think they get the professional qualification? It certainly isn’t at uni.

The grads take their degrees (we’re looking for maths degrees). It then takes several years working with and learning from experienced actuaries at the same time as studying for their professional exams. Which reputable firms will fund. At least they did back in the day, and they are starting to do again now, because they have no choice.

Amazing eh! You can’t become a specialist in this highly technical field without actually working in it!

So you can be sceptical all you like. Doesn’t matter because you don’t understand what you’re talking about (“being generous”)

@FortunesFavour

Yes PolkadotGiraffe, I do work in Financial Services. Do you? In my sector it is certainly not a foregone conclusion that Brexit will will be disadvantageous. We have lost passporting rights in the EU, but we have spent 2 years preparing for this probable outcome and we implemented our solution over a year ago now which is fully compliant and is working well. Time will tell.

However my original point stands - in my industry opportunities for U.K. grads are opening up which simply weren’t there when they could cherry pick from wherever and not bother with a training and development budget. This is a fact, your point is purely speculative.

So not opportunities for school leavers then? You're just talking about more UK graduates getting into actuarial professional training programmes? Yes I do work in the industry.

And it appears your original post was deliberately misleading.

@FortunesFavour

PolkadotGiraffe - you seem a bit confused about actuarial career paths. How do you think they get the professional qualification? It certainly isn’t at uni.

The grads take their degrees (we’re looking for maths degrees). It then takes several years working with and learning from experienced actuaries at the same time as studying for their professional exams. Which reputable firms will fund. At least they did back in the day, and they are starting to do again now, because they have no choice.

Amazing eh! You can’t become a specialist in this highly technical field without actually working in it!

Exactly. That is why you claiming that UK "school leavers" would benefit from this is nonsense. Becoming an actuary requires A levels and a degree before beginning the professional qualification (and this final stage has always usually been susidised by employers anyway).

I.e. you firm may be funding a few extra graduate places for professional training. That's it, if you subtract the bullshit from your post. If you have anything to do with the actuarial world/ finance/ economics you'll be well aware that the downside of Brexit outweighs that tens of thousands of times at least. If not, then you should not be holding any post that requires a command of maths.

All you remoaners want is an echo chamber. You can have it. But we have left and you will have to learn to live with it.

@TerryHearn , I'm very optimistic that this is the start of the break up of the UK and England and Wales will be left to ("able to" is probably the expression you prefer) forge a more appropriate path ahead.
Meanwhile NI can either be a Freeport area or , if it chooses to and Ireland chooses to, they can reunite. Meanwhile an independence referendum for Scotland is only a matter of time. Velvet divorce on the way.
Well done, Brexiteers. You will achieve what so many others have failed to achieve- break up of the UK.
I'm happy about that - a more realistic path for all of us.

Fish.
Racists.
Fish.
Racists.
Fish.............

Well I have read the whole thread hoping for hope. I didn’t find any. I would love to be able to raise a glass with the Leavers and say well you really were right after all, I am glad we are leaving the EU now I know about all the things I didn’t know about before.

As others say it may be the best ever boost to Scottish Independence.

Northern Ireland might become the most desirable place to live in the UK.

Perhaps Cymru and Kernow will even achieve independence and EU membership at some point if it goes well for the Scots.

Really nothing at all to be gained for us in England.

If we ever do rejoin (can’t say that I have any enthusiasm to campaign for it atm) we won’t be likely to get the deal we had before.

I imagine though that politicians will continue to use the EU as a scapegoat and those who brought Brexit into being will never admit that negative consequences stem from Brexit.

I will keep looking for the good news in Brexit, maybe there is something and it just didn’t turn up here.

Scotland is broke .
England fund it.
England are their biggest trade partners.
England pay out so much to help Scotland, I for one would vote to let them go.

As others say it may be the best ever boost to Scottish Independence.

SNP would be better hitting the pause button for while.

Do you live in Scotland @HeyHeyImABeLeaver . If you don't, it's none of your business.

England has no where else to keeps its nuclear deterrent, so IF a vote ever went for Independence, Scotland could demand a very high price to keep them there.... funding their ambitions.

@bellinisurge

Do you live in Scotland *@HeyHeyImABeLeaver* . If you don't, it's none of your business.

I'm allowed to have an opinion am I not? (or is it only allowed if it's in sync with yours?) Gosh, now where have I come across that mindset before?