What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

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In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

*Good plan let's use trading might to bring our civilising influence to other cultures.... that's always gone well in the past.

So who is more likely to have the most clout - a large bloc covering a significant part of a continent or a group of small islands off the coast of the said bloc?*

You cant really be serious who said European colonialism was dead

Either trade with a country or don't. Using trade as a trojan horse for spreading "superior" European values

Not me who put up the 'civilising' post. Merely quoting.

China is large enough both geographically and demographically to thumb its nose at the rest of the world, which I think we will slowly realise, if we haven't already.

EU = neo-colonialism.

Not me who put up the 'civilising' post. Merely quoting.

It was heavy heavy sarcasm.

The answer is probably - no one, they are big enough to ignore everyone, but a bigger trade deal with a large bloc would leave them with more to lose.

Exactly, they won't listen to anyone and they'll do what they want.

We are in the midst of a global pandemic which originated in China, they deliberately held back information from WTO and they are shocking on their human rights, so what better time to sign a trade deal!. The Chinese government must be laughing.

Yet they won't allow Turkey to be a member because of their suspect human rights. Well I suppose there is no financial gain there.

Do as I say but not as I do springs to mind.

But some Brexiters voted Leave because they were going to be overrun by Muslim hoards from Turkey, which was the story Farage put out. It's no good saying that you didn't personally, because he is a demagogue and knew exactly what to do to push people's buttons.

But some Brexiters voted Leave because they were going to be overrun by Muslim hoards from Turkey, which was the story Farage put out. It's no good saying that you didn't personally, because he is a demagogue and knew exactly what to do to push people's buttons

I'm not talking about Farage, I know some remainers like to get his name in at any and every opportunity, but what's he got to with with my post on the EU and human rights rights?

I hadn't noticed that the UK had protested all that strongly about Human Rights in China, nor in places like Saudia Arabia. It's sadly something that the Western world talks but very often doesn't take action.

Oops extra rights slipped in there.

How is that in anyway relevant to the idea that Europe can use is trading might to "civilise" inferior cultures?

One stupid racist idea on one end of the spectrum does not validate the existence of of equally racist ideas on the other.

Yes, Faridge has NOTHING to do with Brexit. At all. Not even a bit. Similarly Tommy Robinson. Absolutely no connection whatsoever with Leave Supporters. Just none. How dare anyone suggest such a thing.

It's sadly something that the Western world talks but very often doesn't take action.

What action would be appropriate?

It's sadly something that the Western world talks but very often doesn't take action.

Well, I think now would be a good time to start and recent events have been a wake up call for everyone. Make a stand not a trade deal.

I'm beginning to think Trump may have been right on this😮.

Hazelnut - you were the one who brought up the civilising influence. You say it was meant as sarcasm but that was missed.

But the UK needn't boast - it's perfectly happy to sell Arms to regimes with appalling records.

Yes, Faridge has NOTHING to do with Brexit. At all. Not even a bit. Similarly Tommy Robinson. Absolutely no connection whatsoever with Leave Supporters. Just none. How dare anyone suggest such a thing.

Bellini what are you talking about? What's Tommy Robinson got to do with the EU/China trade deal?

Is there not a difference between signing a trade agreement with a country and permitting a country access to your political, geographic and trading bloc?

Naïve question, no doubt.

Haven't RTFT but we have gained not being shackled to an increasingly unmanageable political project.

The only future for the EU will be in an increasingly federal direction, as it always has been.

For the moment, the Veto allows countries to have their say in important matters. But more and more the EU finds a way around that - for instance with the Covid recovery package.

There can only be one direction for the EU - increasing central control.

Well funnily enough, I don't think Trump was wrong in standing up to China. Other than that, I will be glad to see the back of him.

@Peregrina

Well funnily enough, I don't think Trump was wrong in standing up to China. Other than that, I will be glad to see the back of him.

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@Peregrina

Ironic or just out right hypocrisy?

Of cause it's hypocrisy - but the whole pre and post referendum brexit campaign was hypocrisy and lies. Will someone answer for that? Highly unlikely... Will people ever start waking up to reality? Would like to hope so...

Some positive news from Aldi:

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/consumer/aldi-buy-ps35bn-more-food-british-farms-and-suppliers-3081184

Walkintal: EU rules on favouring EU workers over non-EU workers is inherently racist.

Even if one accepts the "racist" part of that premise (which I certainly don't!) you have to then go on to join the rest of the dots in your statement...

Those non-EU workers will include UK citizens from 1 January 2021. So you've just made a strong case against Brexit, because by your own admission we will find ourselves less favoured in the job market than EU workers.

Good plan let's use trading might to bring our civilising influence to other cultures.... that's always gone well in the past

Not at all but imho, trading with China is like trading with Nazi Germany, they may not have invaded Poland but they have Tibet, illegally taken parts of the s.china seas, put millions in concentration camps and have no intention of stopping using trade, investment and now their vaccine to seek significant control over much of the developing world.
So, no, we should not seek a FTA with China.

Vietnam is a pussycat in comparison.

Re the Covid vaccines it's costing more are we couldn't negotiate the EU deal. £10 more per vaccine.
So we might be getting it quicker initially but it will be a lot more expensive

[quote HeyHeyImABeLeaver]Some positive news from Aldi:

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/consumer/aldi-buy-ps35bn-more-food-british-farms-and-suppliers-3081184[/quote]
Absolutely but the Uk needs hi end jobs, paying significant taxes and as there is only a finite amount of food UK consumers can buy, Aldi's gain is Tesco's etc loss.
Its also not really a Brexit win, as both Aldi and Lidl have been gaining ground in the UK for the last decade or so.