The Brexit Arms

[BrandySours]

And so it is done....! 🙌

Finally!

🥳 🎉 🇬🇧 🍾 🥂

Merry Xmas!!

I did want to build bridges. I tried. But not anymore. I'm done with trying to see your point of view having tried so hard to do it. Well done.

Unlike you lot, I want to be wrong. That would be a great result.

Yes your right , why on earth do I ever try and converse with them, God knows, you'd think I would have learnt by now! But silly old me thought that now we have a deal they might have been a bit more gracious, god.....

You came out with unadulterated shite, all the points you tried to make were easily knocked down, so course you got a hard time, then came out with "woe to me" self pity!

Why should remainers be gracious? you've fucked the country and future generations too. you obv see things differently.

Personally i'd love to be wrong and you right.

I don’t want to build bridges, i don’t feel the need

I have friends I disagree with on all sorts of things but they are still lovely people and i like them...i just avoid those topics like the fucking plague 😀

But i was on the very first brexit arms thread and i did try and i do like a lot of the posters on both westministers and the arms

Not all of them obviously...some mumsnetters on ALL the boards are just mean 😳

I doubt I’ll be back, on the brexit threads as a whole, once this stuff is typed you can’t take it back whereas in real life you can rethink and apologise or reframe your argument. And usually no one brings it up months later cos they’ve forgotten (apart from my children, memories like elephants) thats why i think its so divisive...as well as the meanness

Anyhoo 🍷 all round, hope everyone has a much nicer 2021!!!!

Yay 😃! 🙌 😃! 🙌 😃! 🙌 😃! Glad to see all the regulars again. Happy Boris got a deal, was worried he would capitulate when Cummings left 😉. Now that the deals done, time to focus on COVID-19 and tackling that! Saving the champagne 🍾 for January 1st, upwards and onwards to a better 2021!

I don’t want to build bridges, i don’t feel the need

I have friends I disagree with on all sorts of things but they are still lovely people and i like them...i just avoid those topics like the fucking plague 😀

True dat
Life is far too short & precious to waste energy on pointless conflict 🤷🏻‍♀️

Anyhoo 🍷 all round, hope everyone has a much nicer 2021!!!!

Ditto! ❤️

Happy Boris got a deal, was worried he would capitulate when Cummings left 😉

Seriously, what do you think he did? Have you seen the deal?

@HoldingTight

Happy Boris got a deal, was worried he would capitulate when Cummings left 😉

Seriously, what do you think he did? Have you seen the deal?

Exactly!

www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-12-28/despite-last-minute-trade-accord-u-k-s-brexit-ordeal-is-far-from-over?srnd=brexit

Evening all - brought some more logs in as it's rather chilly, seems at least the weather is sticking to its seasonal script. Pint of Best please.

I've been mulling a bit over this importing and exporting of foodstuffs malarkey and it seems a lot of this is due to 'National preferences'. Apparently the UK prefer certain cuts (of meat) or certain fish species so we export the cuts/species we don't prefer and import those we do.

Why do we do that? Have we been 'groomed'? What did we do before? We ate it and used it. Given the leaps and bounds in culinary expertise in the UK, thanks to not only our 40 year exposure to continental European cuisine but also the massive increase in worldwide travel, why wouldn't we want to eat these cuts and species that we currently export.

Another Pint, packet of Twiglets and a Sausage Sandwich please.

Another one of Brandy's. Seems apt now. 2 more days. 👏👏👏👏👏👏🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🍾🍾🍾🍾

What has been gained by leaving/Brexit?

Thanks for bringing in the logs. The fire looks great.
Please can I have a hot chocolate and a bacon butty.

This one of Dusty's is my all time favourite

Ohhhh - bacon butty sounds delicious! I will have one of those as well please. It’s getting frosty outside and I forgot my gloves, so how about a little 🥃 as well to warm up by the fire. 😉

It really isn't a great deal, is it?

We have materially lost considerably more than what we've 'gained'.

Services constitute 80% of our trade, but that more or less doesn't get a mention.

I'm just relieved we have A Deal, however shite; it's waaay better than No Deal, but obviously considerably worse than Remaining. Even arch-Brexiteers know that and have openly admired that, BUT the ideology of sovrintee over-rode that.

But we are where we are.

But I can be that bit more sanguine as my family gave alternative passports, which we didn't expect to have to use, but if needs be.

Actually Miljea, I think there's quite a few subtleties in the services equation that haven't been mentioned, possibly deliberately. And the main one is that the rules in finance and services tend to be run on common law and accountancy rules, as used in the UK, US and most Commonwealth countries. Nobody in the world of money takes an EU accountancy qualification seriously; it's shorthand for okaying paperwork in return for a brown envelope.

The UK and US have been the prime movers in Basel 2 regulations, which govern solvency and access to capital, and as things currently stand, most of the largest European banks don't meet the standards, not even Deutsche Bank comes close.

You are bringing back some great memeoriesYellowspanner.
Brandy is still our Queen Of Memes!
A few more logs for the fire would be very welcome Hatels

I'll pull up a chair by the fire and catch up with old friends.

By Anglo-American standards, almost every European bank is verging on insolvency.

Consciously uncoupling from the EU finances may just turn out to be a very savvy decision, even if it limits outward FOM and means we all spend longer in airport queues. There remains a lot of world open to travel, tourism, work, study and leisure.

The deal seems a bit shit to me. Services are not covered.

And trade. I forgot to mention trade. But DH's business has already had boosts, nothing big, but his enquiries are actively looking for UK-based substitutes for the materials they've been buying from China via an Italian badge. For the record, we make industrial heat transfer equipment.

Read and consider, OverTheRainbow.... the market for services is GLOBAL and regulated by Common Law principles. The big accountancy firms... PWC, EY, Accenture, all run on US/UK Common law. The financial market worldwide take them seriously. Where is the German or French equivalent?

Let's hope so.

@OverTheRainbowLiesOz

The deal seems a bit shit to me. Services are not covered.

I believe services are being covered separately under the equivalence system, services need to be standalone. It was stated in November that this would likely be finalised after a trade deal had been agreed.

There remains a lot of world open to travel, tourism, work, study and leisure

True, though exc europe, all involve cost, long haul flights, visas and in demand skills.
Working for Ericsson in Stockholm involved no more than a telephone call and a flight, working for Plessey SA was a pia, South African embassy in London, 2 long haul trips and very expensive.

I am looking forward to the Johnsons replacement for Erasmus, will it be commonwealth/US based or more global? and can BJ get much more take up, esp in poorer areas?