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The Brexit Arms

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BrandySours · 24/12/2020 14:47

And so it is done....! 🙌

Finally!

🥳 🎉 🇬🇧 🍾 🥂

Merry Xmas!!

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yellowspanner · 30/12/2020 18:56

I love your memes Brandy. Thank you.

Boris' speech was good but Blackford made a fool of himself.
Did you see Laura K interviewing Boris. She said you seem to have cake and eat it deal. "Your words not mine" said BoJo.
But Gove was inspired.
Some of my friends here have already had the vaccine so it should be available to us all by spring.
👏👏🍾🍾🇬🇧🇬🇧

Dg390 · 30/12/2020 19:06

Just picked up the phrase about who cares about “buskers needing paperwork”. That would be a multi million pound globally leading touring arts and culture industry.... But I guess you prefer to demean real high quality jobs that pay real taxes and support real families rather than admit even the smallest downside with the wonder of brexit. Reminding myself that outside the internet both those who voted leave and those who voted remain are still capable of seeing issues on both sides

Noname99 · 30/12/2020 19:08

👋 Brandy & Yellow
I’m new to these here parts .... it took me all of five minutes to realise the tone and nature of this forum which is a welcome relief so I’ll hop on for the ride please. But can I just clarify ..... have a missed an in-joke or is the poster who actually wrote Isn't awful when people ask you to explain yourselves actually serious? Surely not....??? I think I was 5 years old the last time someone demanded that I had to “explain myself” .... do we have to sit on the naughty step if we don’t?

BrandySours · 30/12/2020 19:10

Glad to hear of your friends getting the vaccine!

I don't know of anyone who's had one yet but should be coming thick & fast soon 🤞🤞

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BrandySours · 30/12/2020 19:13

We've faced demands to EXPLAIN YOURSELVES! And ANSWER MY QUESTIONS! since the very first Brexit Arms thread in 2016 😩

It has been a tortuous (almost) half decade....!

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LurkingLeaver · 30/12/2020 19:19

Hi Noname, sadly that poster is all too real. Best ignored.

Dg390 · 30/12/2020 19:26

Because you never do explain. I guess if you believe that the Oxford vaccine is because of brexit and that the arts and culture tours are buskers then you can believe that brexit is all upside. Anyone you won - I look forward to the wonderful sunlit uplands coming and celebrating the sheer fantasticness of every part of brexit in a decade. The most amazing policy - never any downsides

Whythesadface · 30/12/2020 19:26

I have NC for 2021.
Longtime poster, and person who got bashed a lot, and yes I thought it would be no deal, but this looks like we can work with the deal we have made, the next few days will be very telling.

yellowspanner · 30/12/2020 19:30

I am delighted that Dr Sarah Gilbert, a British scientist led the team that developed the Oxford vaccine.
Inspiring woman and a great role model for our young women scientists.

BrandySours · 30/12/2020 19:30

Because you never do explain

Because we do not have to 🤷🏻‍♀️

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yellowspanner · 30/12/2020 19:34

Noname, welcome. Just post away and ignore the naysayers. I think they are trying to get us to respond so the thread will be pulled. The same posters always do it. 🤷‍♀️

tanguero · 30/12/2020 19:34

Oh yes ! Well done Bojo, and everyone who believed the possible.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 30/12/2020 19:41

I have no interest in getting any thread pulled. All threads have a right to exist, as far as I'm concerned. It's usually a good thing to read a wide range of opinions, including those which run contrary to one's own.

I am on record as saying I expected a No Deal, and that my prediction was wrong. I am, however, struggling to see upsides to this particular deal. Can anyone enlighten me? I'm clearly missing something that many of you on this thread can see - please share, so I can join the club.

Toptotoeunicolour · 30/12/2020 19:46

Not only do you have to EXPLAIN, you also have to OWN IT, and sometimes even OWN YOUR SHIT especially when we are on the brink of the final state, known as SHIT GOT REAL. I mean, seriously?

XingMing · 30/12/2020 19:55

Sometimes I despair of MN's political thuggery. I spend ages composing thoughtful posts in (hopefully) coherent prose on subjects that are relevant to the main topic about aspects of which I have some knowledge, and you all prefer to squabble like six year olds!

Re the busker digression, COVID has cramped their style this year by closing venues, rather than the UK or the EU, and while it is true that the UK has a vital and important creative sector that adds billiions to GDP, more £££ flow from the videogames and film-post-production industries than live performance artists' tax revenue. In fields in which it is entirely normal for 95% of the workforce to be marginally employed, volunteering or unemployed, I think the PP protests too much about what's actually close to normal.

I mean -- my niece is a dancer in Europe: sounds like art and culture? The reality is that she's a stripper and pole dancer in Ibiza. It's all presentation.

Aria11 · 30/12/2020 20:09

Yellowspanner, if only such things were the result of a single person who happens to be also British. The level of delusion in this thread is astonishing. You can read all about the nationalities of the researchers here: www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/europe-news/37-nationalities-in-oxford-covid-vaccination-team-91446

Dg390 · 30/12/2020 20:12

Well the good news Xingming is that the audio visual industry is also moving out of the Uk due to non tariff barriers caused by brexit. And FYI vast amounts of video and game culture come originally from live performance !!!
But I think it is not worth extending a discussion with someone whose response to a significant sector of people are losing their jobs is to say it doesn’t matter they are just all really strippers... if that is the brexit argument for why brexit is all fine then a good reminder to me to get back to real life

bellinisurge · 30/12/2020 20:24

Yes, having to explain a decision which has life changing consequences for people that disagree with you. So inappropriate. How dare people do that.

XingMing · 30/12/2020 20:29

Why am I optimistic about the UK's prospects after leaving the EU?

Because I believe that the global trust in Anglo-Saxon law (civil, legal and contract especially) which prevails in a majority of high-trust, low-corruption jurisdictions is valuable.

Because English is the world's second language. This is both a plus and a minus. It's an easy language to speak badly, so it also attracts everyone seeking a better life because they know a few words.

The UK attracts people who aspire to better lives, and are happy to work for a generation to enable their children to fly higher. I have observed that there are posters who lament their misfortunes here, loudly and want someone else to do something about it for me, but not many are immigrants.

We are awesomely good at the arts and culture, and monetising our ideas into formats that the whole world will enjoy and consume.

We are inventive and ingenious in science (the best at genomics currently) and have more Nobel Prize winners than any country except the USA, whose population is four times larger. We are less good at creating and funding industries, some of which is the fault of...

The City of London which, nonetheless, is one of the fulcrums of world banking and finance. It's not without fault (notably a fondness for ridiculously skewed pay scales) but in investment, insurance, foreign exchange, futures, funding enterprises and most of the systems needed for drawing money from a cashpoint and reconciling the books at the end of each day, it's pretty close to world class.

Our much-derided civil service has made an immense contribution to the EU and accounts for a very large part of Health and Safety, food hygiene, animal welfare and probably more I am not aware of.

Writers like Lakeland sheep farmer James Rebanks are globally recognised for their contribution to the agricultural regeneration movement. The MAFF (whatever it's called now... DoE run by George Eustace anyway) is taking notice and reconsidering land management protocols to mitigate the impact of climate change. And before anyone pitches in to suggest it's not being taken seriously by Westminster, we're currently in the chair and writing the agenda; our stated objectives are well up with the most ambitious in the world.

I do understand that criticising is easy, and if you don't like the political tone of the elected government because it wasn't what you wanted personally, then it's tempting to nit-pick with details. Heck, I am not convinced by the competence of this government, but they were elected by a convincing majority 13 months ago, and they have had shit shovelled at them ever since. I do hope Boris can dump the obvious failures in a reshuffle soon, and I have my fingers crossed that he will ruthlessly promote competence.

Morsmordre · 30/12/2020 20:38

Hi everyone - just popping in for a quick pint and bag of scratchings. Quite chilly here in the arms tonight, so I’ll throw a few logs on the fire.

Loving the new artwork on display Brandy, nice touch!

XingMing · 30/12/2020 20:38

@Dg390, where did I say they are all just strippers? That was about my niece, not about orchestras and theatres and touring companies. But most of the arts' problems this year have been COVID related, and nothing to do with Brexit. Cirque du Soleil collapsed this year. They were based in Canada.

yellowspanner · 30/12/2020 20:52

I don't have to explain to anyone why I voted a particular way. Nor do I intend to.
You all may as well stop asking.
If I wish to celebrate a wonderful British woman scientist, then I will. And I fully intend to tell all the young women I know all about her.
Xing, I do admire your patience.
Oh, and I will celebrate our final break with the EU,
And the trade deal with the EU
And the trade deals Liz Truss is negotiating (another wonderful British woman)
And finally being rid of the ECJ
And Gove's speech today. 🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

bellinisurge · 30/12/2020 21:00

Sir Yes Sir. You have nothing to explain. You are wise and I tremble in the shadow of your magnificence. You know what's best for me and never need to explain yourself.

Because that's how grown ups work.

XingMing · 30/12/2020 21:00

And considering that the UK's art schools are so bursting full of ideas for new games, it doesn't matter if the most successful take off to tax havens. There is a torrent of talent pushing in behind the ones that leave. And talent spotting is another thing the UK is good at!

XingMing · 30/12/2020 21:02

I never expected more than carping but that's not even a response.

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