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The Brexit Arms

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BrandySours · 24/12/2020 14:47

And so it is done....! 🙌

Finally!

🥳 🎉 🇬🇧 🍾 🥂

Merry Xmas!!

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TheHateIsNotGood · 30/12/2020 17:38

Morsmorde indeed they are, and having slept like a baby last night, I'm shortly off to shake another one.

All this either/or, one thing means another thing, it's all either black or white is so, so tedious.

I've poured my Pint, helped myself to a couple of sausage rolls and a scotch egg and I'm off for a sit and stare by the fire.

BrandySours · 30/12/2020 17:43

you haven't the ingenuity to actually create a thread in an unremarkable corner of this Mumsnet

🤣🤣🤣

Oh the IRONY!! It BURNS!!

I've vivid memories of shutting up shop on the Brexit Forum & moving off to another area of MN in a last ditch attempt to try & get away from the incessant nastiness directed towards leave-supporting posters

Unfortunately, someone (can't remember who exactly...) broadcast the move to all & sundry the moment they spotted it on Active Convos

I know what you're thinking - who'd be so petty?!

I truly can't remember who it was though

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Jaypreen · 30/12/2020 17:44

I think the best way for the SNP to win a ref' would be to make it a UK wide ref' on Scottish membership of the UK rather than Scotland only. I would (in common with it seems many English and Welsh voters) like to see the back of them. But with the SNP being supported by [at best] 55% of the Scottish electorate. I can't really see it happening. Scot's aren't stupid and when they're asked they opt to stay in the union. RBS has already indicated it would relocate to England post independence. Others will follow. The Scottish financial sector will end up dominated by English and other countries banks. The SNP

BrandySours · 30/12/2020 17:45

Haha Lurking 😂😂😂
Love that pic 🤣

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bellinisurge · 30/12/2020 17:48

The Politics forum isn't exactly obscure and a thread called The Brexit Arms is hardly hiding.

If the whole of the UK should vote on Scottish independence maybe the whole of the EU should have been allowed to vote on Brexit. Next level squirmy nonsense there.
Either Scotland is allowed to vote in whether it should be independent or it isn't. I dare you, after all the drivel about independence for the Uk, to say they can't have that vote.

bellinisurge · 30/12/2020 17:50

"But with the SNP being supported by [at best] 55% of the Scottish electorate"
That would be a larger percentage than people in the UK who voted for Brexit 😂😂😂

bellinisurge · 30/12/2020 17:51

"incessant nastiness" would that be the bit where your friends called me vermin that needed to be disinfected

BrandySours · 30/12/2020 17:55

I'm a Scot living in England at the mo Jaypreen

I'm a unionist & so's my mum & dad (they're still in Scotland). They HATE the SNP.

A mix of Yes/No amongst my friends & extended family
No rhyme nor reason to which way they lean - a mix of Yes/No within education level, within socio-economic groups, within each sex, within age groups
Some support it, some don't

I am now edging towards 'let them have Indyref 2' - if they vote Yes, then rUK should act in good faith & not try to screw them over or play stupid games & wish them well for the future with a good deal that suits rUK & Scotland alike

I'd also like to leave the door open for an easy as poss return in the future

If the country votes No, then great;
If the country votes for Indy & it works out well, then great;
If the country votes for Indy & it doesn't work out well, then welcome back to the UK & no hard feelings 🤷🏻‍♀️

(I know it's not as simplistic as that obvs, but I think it's the only way to deal with the genie that's well & truly out the bottle now)

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bellinisurge · 30/12/2020 17:58

On that I agree with you @BrandySours . I also have Scottish family with a range of views.
The genie is out of the bottle.
As it is for NI.

BrandySours · 30/12/2020 17:59

I try so very hard not to interact with posters who appear to be desperate for a scrap
But it gets so hard when they just keep badgering & badgering - prodding & prodding - desperate for attention 🤷🏻‍♀️

Regardless, I shall carry on scrolling past & trying to blot out the wilful attempts at disruption & discontent

I really can't for the life of me remember who it was that chucked us all under the bus for shits & giggles though 🤔

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XingMing · 30/12/2020 18:02

I think some Scots would welcome IndyRef2, and I am sure it will happen, but I wouldn't want to predict a date for it. An interesting op-ed comment/article in the last couple of days suggested that Nicola Sturgeon might not be as keen as her population after the count if Scotland voted for independence. At the moment, the SNP are free to blame the English, Boris and Westminster for everything, but assuming the SNP won (I think they would), then her party would have to fight subsequent elections on their record in government, and on health and education it's not wonderful, so she would soon be facing a resurgent Scottish Labour Party as well as a reinvigorated Ruth Davidson.

This leaves aside all the huge economic and financial questions that were asked but not answered during IndyRef1. Including, but not limited to, what currency would Scotland use? How hard would losing the Barnett Formula hit the provision of services, infrastructure and benefits? How much of this could be replaced by gaining control of oil and gas revenue, given the price fall and the shift to greener power? The North Sea is a costly place to extract oil. Would Scotland even be admitted to the EU given that they are not keen on admitting new non-contributors? IIRC, the article concluded along the lines of warning Scotland, the Scots, the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon to "be careful what you wish for".

Issues that require reasonable and nuanced consideration, but politics on MN generally start polarised and end in name-calling. I've got used to it; haven't changed name, and keep coming back, because I am an optimist... and I think these are important topics, on which all opinions deserve an airing.

yellowspanner · 30/12/2020 18:02

Brandy, it was Bellini that rushed back to her mates with "found them folks".
As an aside Norway are complaining to the EU that we have managed to get a better deal than they have and they pay, have to stick by all the rules including the ECJ. 😂😂😂
I am delighted with the deal but then I'm not intending to busk in Paris.
I loved Gove's speech in Parliament earlier.
I think the intention of our "visitors" is to get us to retaliate and then to complain and get the thread taken down. That's what they did last time. Please ignore the naysayers
Love the memes by the way. As brilliant as ever.

Aria11 · 30/12/2020 18:06

BrandySours, it is quite obvious that you and others prefer expletives and memes. This is the standard of conversation in this thread.

bellinisurge · 30/12/2020 18:08

I fucking didn't say found them folks. Disingenuous crap. They were saying you'd all scuttled off into silence and didn't have the courage to speak.
I said you weren't and that you were still talking and sharing opinions. My apologies for attempting to stand up for you. I got criticised for giving you the time of day and for trying to listen to you. Pity you judge everyone by your own shoddy standards.

SabrinaThwaite · 30/12/2020 18:10

As an aside Norway are complaining to the EU that we have managed to get a better deal than they have and they pay, have to stick by all the rules including the ECJ.

I think what you mean is Norway’s anti-EU political party is complaining.

Which is different.

BrandySours · 30/12/2020 18:14

Gove's speech was brilliant Yellow!
And was good to see Keir & Blackford trying to keep their serious faces on while simultaneously stifling smiles at some of his good-natured barbs

Overall I'm pleased with the deal - it delivers on my vote & has removed us from the overarching control

I'm beyond pleased with the latest vaccine news too
I've worked throughout, but my kids have had a shit year because of the virus
It will be brilliant to get back to some semblance of normality in 2021 😍

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BrandySours · 30/12/2020 18:15

it is quite obvious that you and others prefer expletives and memes

Yes
Yes I do

I've never, ever tried to pretend otherwise 🤷🏻‍♀️

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BrandySours · 30/12/2020 18:17

On the subject of the SNP...

I did this pic on request for my dad to share on one of the fb groups he's in - may as well share it here too 😂

The Brexit Arms
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PMcGintysGoat · 30/12/2020 18:19

The current government are demonstrably more interested in what England wants than any other nation, seemingly forgetting the Union and their responsibility to all its citizens.

They have also forgotten the promises made after Indyref1 and it's hard to see the Scots falling for it twice.

Scotland as part of a UK within the EU was the ideal, and the majority of Scots recognised that this was the best option. But with the UK run by English nationalists, out of the EU...hmmm

HeyHeyImABeLeaver · 30/12/2020 18:23

I think what you mean is Norway’s anti-EU political party is complaining

I believe they are leading in the polls though?

LurkingLeaver · 30/12/2020 18:28

Interesting Hey. Now we have our freedom, it would be exciting to watch the whole process again for Norway.

SabrinaThwaite · 30/12/2020 18:30

They are currently leading in the polls, but their other policies are currently appealing to Norwegians. The polls also say that Norwegians are OK with the status quo with the EU, given that 70% of O&G exports go to the EU, and Norwegian lawmakers are against renovating the EFTA / EEA deal.

SabrinaThwaite · 30/12/2020 18:31

Oh, and all our Norwegian colleagues think the UK is batshit crazy 🤣

SabrinaThwaite · 30/12/2020 18:32

*renegotiating not renovating Smile

TheHateIsNotGood · 30/12/2020 18:49

Can't much disagree with XingMing really.

I've yet to catch up with all the new England CV19 Regs but looks like a Hang In There Folks for the next 2-3 months and I can't much disagree with that either.

Meanwhile:

Fill chilled cocktail shaker with cubed (small) ice
Add 2 parts Pisco, 1 part Lime Juice, half part sugar syrup
1 egg white
Shake vigourously and pour
Add a drop or two of Angostura

HTH

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