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Westminstenders: Off he pops to Brussels

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RedToothBrush · 09/12/2020 07:55

Alex Andreou @sturdyalex
There's no way Johnson has not already decided whether or not to concede on Level Playing Field. Which makes the trip to Brussels dressing. Whether it will dress a concession as "I have saved us" or No Deal as "I tried my best" remains to be seen. But the choice is already made.

Amanda Cole @amandajanecole
What's your gut feeling, will he put his job ahead of the country? Given his past self serving form?

Alex Andreou @sturdyalex
I think he is so cornered - and has done so badly on Covid19 - his instinct will be one last, double-or-nothing throw of the dice. Only no deal does that.

The issue is that coming back with a deal will earn him much heckling and zero back-slapping from his peers. But no deal will earn him just as much heckling, but also plenty of back-slapping. What I don't know is just how ominous the departmental briefings he's getting are.

Its also worth noting the following:

Mujtaba Rahman @mij_europe
I understand @BorisJohnson wanted @EmmanuelMacron & Merkel to join his phone call with @vonderleyen last night, but she rejected the idea

So even yesterday he was STILL looking to undermine the EU and split its leaders. After all this time and the number of times he's tried this on.

Have no doubt that a) everything will be blamed on Macron (probably personally, with Conservative hardliners coming out calling for the public to boycott French cheese and wine - I'm serious btw) and covid b) covid provides a handy distraction at least for the moment. It will be used accordingly - that means its possibly now not in Johnson's interest to stop a spike in January. All efforts will be put into the vaccine rollout for PR but thats going to hit the breaks fairly soon. No doubt the EU will be blamed for that too.

What I'm not anticipating is another full lockdown. I think at least parts of Greater Manchester will now get out of T3 on 16th December. Traffords numbers look exceptional and I think it politically impossible for Johnson to keep it in T3. Its Graham Brady's patch and Manchester as a whole looks far far better than T2 London.

Anyone who gets out of T3 before Christmas won't go back into it. I'm not anticipating London to go T3 unless No Deal turns really ugly and its useful to quell civil unrest.

I think if we head into no deal then tight restrictions won't be used for covid reasons no matter how bad the hospitals get - it will only be about civil unrest, it will all be about keeping the economy going - backbench revolts are what scare Johnson most, and he's already said no more Tiers after the start of Feb.

We shall see what the day brings...

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veeeeh · 14/12/2020 13:13

It appears that sense will prevail, and a deal will now be reached. The mood music is positive. Just read this on Irish website.

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/1214/1184260-brexit-talks-eu-uk/

OchonAgusOchonO · 14/12/2020 13:15

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has told member states that there could be a short no deal period at the beginning of January even if a deal is reached with the UK in the coming days, RTÉ News understands.

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/1214/1184260-brexit-talks-eu-uk/

ListeningQuietly · 14/12/2020 13:18

My tree is up but there is nothing under it. Struggling to stay positive.

HannibalHayes · 14/12/2020 13:18

Would just a few days of no deal satisfy Boris' backers?

NotJustACigar · 14/12/2020 13:25

Maybe he's promised his backers "no deal" but just didn't specify for how long.

HannibalHayes · 14/12/2020 13:50

Well, he's happy enough to lie to everyone else, after all...

EnPoinsettia · 14/12/2020 13:54

The Boris Brexit No Deal Hokey Cokey ™.

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TheABC · 14/12/2020 14:05

@TatianaBis

Now the attempt at managed No Deal/contigency/Aus deal has failed, BJ is cornered.

They don’t want real No Deal (apart from loons like Redwood) so they will have to capitulate. There’s still a good chance of unintentional No Deal. But I have hope now.

BJ is playing silly buggers and losing. Tory MPs are calling for BJ to quit if he fails.

@TatianaBis - I would be interested in reading about this if you have a handy link.

I thought Johnson was reasonably insulated from his party's wishes for the near future.

theDudesmummy · 14/12/2020 14:19

@OchonAgusOchonO oi! I live in the Gaeltacht, we don't want any of them here...(I escaped from England in March)...

mrslaughan · 14/12/2020 14:33

@TheABC

twitter.com/sirrogergale/status/1338414093548593152?s=21

There has been a few tweets over the last couple of days
Tobias ellwood the most vocal
Tom tugendhat - has made comments - but he's pretty weak

And then The above from Sir Roger Gale was this morning. He has been mocked abit - but felt amongst sensible Tory MP's they are signalling there discontent. Will it come to anything - who knows💁‍♀️

DGRossetti · 14/12/2020 14:48

And then The above from Sir Roger Gale was this morning. He has been mocked abit - but felt amongst sensible Tory MP's they are signalling there discontent. Will it come to anything - who knows💁‍♀️

They can all go and fuck themselves with rusty fish forks. All of them.

Remember they stood up to get elected on the basis that Boris delivered his oven fucking ready fucking deal. If Boris doesn't they can only be thought of as not complete cocks if they resign (they won't).

OchonAgusOchonO · 14/12/2020 14:56

[quote theDudesmummy]@OchonAgusOchonO oi! I live in the Gaeltacht, we don't want any of them here...(I escaped from England in March)...[/quote]
How about if we cut you a percentage of the profits? They won't last long before we ship them back. Promise (not a Boris one).

Whenwillow · 14/12/2020 15:11

I was under the impression that what he promised as an 'oven ready deal' was in fact the WA, not a trade deal post transition.

OchonAgusOchonO · 14/12/2020 15:13

@Whenwillow

I was under the impression that what he promised as an 'oven ready deal' was in fact the WA, not a trade deal post transition.
That's what he's now claiming he meant. It's not what he actually said as many of the aspects he referred to as part of the "oven-ready deal" are only applicable to a trade deal.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/boris-johnson-oven-ready-brexit-deal-6631776

DGRossetti · 14/12/2020 15:14

@Whenwillow

I was under the impression that what he promised as an 'oven ready deal' was in fact the WA, not a trade deal post transition.
Well that's an easy enough cite isn't it ?
Whenwillow · 14/12/2020 15:17

Right, thanks for clearing that up. I only heard this on Saturday (latest brexitcast I think)

RedToothBrush · 14/12/2020 15:27

Aubrey Allegretti @breeallegretti
Edict issued that all Commons and MPs' staff with the exception of those who are "essential to the work of the House" should stop coming into work from Tuesday.

Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle says there's been "an increase in cases on the estate" in line with London outbreak.

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mrslaughan · 14/12/2020 16:01

Well my husband is off taking my daughter for a Covid test - and he says the test Center is rammed ...... I had to ring and cancel an appointment abs the receptionist said "we have had a lot of calls like this today"

prettybird · 14/12/2020 16:07

Ds is home Smile

He's still got some Uni work to do: he has to summarise the UK-EU relationship over its period of membership in 200 words Shock as part of his quantitative research methods in the 21st century! It's to be used as a slide in a presentation (the rest of it will be the maths type stuff - this is the background slide), so can be in bullet points.

ListeningQuietly · 14/12/2020 16:14

prettybird
Delighted you got him home for Christmas.
Its been a while.

DGRossetti · 14/12/2020 16:22

www.thenational.scot/news/18942288.brexit-gove-fears-battle-trafalagar-english-channel-no-deal/

MICHAEL Gove fears a new Battle of Trafalgar between French and British fishing fleets in the "most likely" situation of a No-Deal Brexit, according to reports.

The Cabinet Office minister, who is in charge of No Deal planning, has been "war-gaming" scenarios should the UK crash out of the EU without an agreed new trade arrangement - a situation now considered as the most probable outcome.

"One of his biggest worries is a new Battle of Trafalgar in the Channel with clashes between French and English fishing fleets and the navy and French fishermen," one friend told the Sunday Times.

(contd)

Not quite sure why he's "worried" ...

TatianaBis · 14/12/2020 16:25

@TheABC

The article is linked my post yesterday: Sun 13-Dec-20 21:41:51

DGRossetti · 14/12/2020 16:34

The TL;DR from that Mail article is that Angela Merkel doesn't trust Boris.

Since I don't either, I am not really sure why this was worth so much screenprint.

It's hard not to characterise the UK as trying to get into a club with a strict dress code whilst wearing shorts, flip flips and a "Kiss me Kwik" hat. With the odd attempt to shout around the bouncer at some mates inside to "have a word".

It's pathetic and demeaning.

TheABC · 14/12/2020 17:09

Thanks, all.

TonMoulin · 14/12/2020 17:29

[quote OchonAgusOchonO]The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has told member states that there could be a short no deal period at the beginning of January even if a deal is reached with the UK in the coming days, RTÉ News understands.

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/1214/1184260-brexit-talks-eu-uk/[/quote]
Read that.

Also some talks about the negotiation taking another month.

In some ways, it’s shit because we will have to deal with the shortages.
In another I think it will focus minds in a way nothing else will.