Westminstenders: a feature of the system not a bug

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Tests on the new queuing system in Kent have revealed that lengthy tail backs are a feature not a bug.

We should get used to them because thats normal not the system malfunctioning, but the planned system working as designed.

Today we have found out that there's no money left. The economy is fucked. And tomorrow we will probably all be in T3 with the Isles of Wight, the tip of Cornwall and inner Westminster the only places left in T1.

Christmas has apparently been 'saved' though. Well if you are dumb and lacking in functional brain cells its 'saved'. Trade for Christmas is already thoroughly goosed and indoor family gatherings may come with a extra side of covid. The BBC have done an epic job of 'doommongering project fear' style graphics on this wonderful subject.

Tis the season to be jolly. Jolly fucked.

"Until August 2015 the former oil exploration company Afren and the former Canadian oil company Talisman, which was a major producer from the Alberta tar sands, were clients of Zahawi & Zahawi, a business advisory service."

Clearly their advice wasn't up to much. Afren went bust in 2015.

@Clavinova

he has zero O&G knowledge

I don't know how you can claim he has zero oil and gas knowledge.

I'm pretty confident that Zahawi has as much technical knowledge of O&G as you do of the Irish education system

TBH I am not that fussed that politicians do not have direct knowledge of the issues in their departments

what I find so discouraging about the current front bench is their utter disdain and refusal to listen to the people who DO
particularly the Civil Servants

Clearly their advice wasn't up to much. Afren went bust in 2015.

Hardly his fault;

"Meet the oil barons guilty of fraud in £230m a deal: How two 'greedy' Afren bosses spent laundered cash on luxury homes in the Caribbean."

"They have been found guilty of fraud and money laundering after a 3-year probe."

"The duo siphoned off funds and bought luxury properties in the British Virgin Islands and Mustique."

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-6312827/Meet-oil-barons-guilty-fraud-230m-deal.html

@SabrinaThwaite

I have never heard of Zahawi, but he sounds just the man for the job. A non expert who will guarantee its failure. Who will get the blame, I wonder?

@ListeningQuietly

TBH I am not that fussed that politicians do not have direct knowledge of the issues in their departments

what I find so discouraging about the current front bench is their utter disdain and refusal to listen to the people who DO
particularly the Civil Servants

Not sure there's any surprise in this. The UK has never really entertained evidence based policy. The SOP is to decide the policy, and then gerrymander the evidence to back it up.

UK citizens in the EU have less rights than EU citizens in the UK.

Now we start to see the "control" people wanted.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/29/its-impossible-how-brexit-has-left-british-families-unable-to-return-to-the-uk

...
Making matters worse is the fact that the act - whose full name is the Immigration and Social Security Co-ordination (EU Withdrawal) Act 2020 - actively discriminates against British citizens abroad compared to EU citizens living in the UK.
...

This programme is being heavily trailed at the moment on Irish TV: a timely reminder of Hiberno-Anglian history... www.rte.ie/history/2020/1127/1180851-the-hunger-the-making-of-the-new-documentary/

[quote Arborea]This programme is being heavily trailed at the moment on Irish TV: a timely reminder of Hiberno-Anglian history... www.rte.ie/history/2020/1127/1180851-the-hunger-the-making-of-the-new-documentary/[/quote]
I suspect that will be promoted in England in exactly the same way the "The Crown" wasn't ....

Thanks @Arborea . Hopefully I'll be able to watch it on RTÉ player (as clunky as that can be)

@DGRossetti

UK citizens in the EU have less rights than EU citizens in the UK.

Now we start to see the "control" people wanted.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/29/its-impossible-how-brexit-has-left-british-families-unable-to-return-to-the-uk

...
Making matters worse is the fact that the act - whose full name is the Immigration and Social Security Co-ordination (EU Withdrawal) Act 2020 - actively discriminates against British citizens abroad compared to EU citizens living in the UK.
...

I get the new european directive. But I am surprised at the article. Most of those people are brits married to an eu citizen with children who have grown up in Europe (and have a european citizenship from the other parenst, if not directly) As far as I know the uk is the only country who tells one of his citizen that their partner/spouse can’t live with them in their own country.

So whilst there might be more paperwork, I don’t understand the fear.

For brits with no other relation in that country, the situation will be different. I’m wondering if they had some opportunity to have some paperwork done though. I seem to remember @Mistigri mentioning something in France.

Do I need to provide another fact-squirrel?

@TonMoulin If they're British married to an EU citizen, they are allowed to stay with their spouse. However, they will have to go though considerable paperwork to get working permits and won't be eligible for benefits anymore. If they are currently working, they might not be able to continue a until the working permit has been approved and social/welfare benefits will no longer be paid. If they want to travel from one EU country to another, they'll need a visa and (if 3+ months) residence card.

If non-working (retired, SAHM,...) they'll have to prove sufficient funds.

It is not going to be pretty for many people (which is why DH and I both got our dual nationality sorted )

Oh, and schools will in many cases be abl, and possibly required to, decline teaching non-EU foreign children.

My guess is that Nadhim Zahawi has been chosen on the basis of all other appointees...for his promise of remaining absolutely silent in light of one ministerial screw up after another. Be nice to envision the vaccine roll out going smoothly, but the evidence of every other initiative of this government's suggests otherwise. Hmm, for the vaccine how about all Tory party donors go first?

Btw, there's been so many 'yes there will, no there won't' media stories about a deal that I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that it's going to be no deal and Johnson is using the reporting as a way of exposure therapy for the masses. We'll be numb and immured by the time Johnson makes a conclusive announcement that it's no deal, so it'll be accepted as inevitable and without a murmur from the electorate.

Btw, there's been so many 'yes there will, no there won't' media stories about a deal that I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that it's going to be no deal and Johnson is using the reporting as a way of exposure therapy for the masses

I'm also guessing that Lockdown Mk. III is also intended to cover the no deal fall out.

DrB any announcement will be downed by the combined tsunami of Covid/lockdown/Labour in-fighting/weather news. And one heart-warming human interest story, probably about how a cat dialled 999 and saved its owner.

Interesting
the AIBU thread is much more vitriolic than these ones now are
but the point made on there is true
the Brexiters do not post their thoughts here
because we demolish the inaccuracies

its a shame that the UKs media do not do the same thing
particularly about
GFA
WTO
ECHR

and EU regional funds being spent in the UK because the UK government chose not to support its own people

and the fact that investing in manufacturing and training and the NHS could and should have happened inside the EU

4 1/2 years since the vote and the UK govt has done nothing to actually address the causes of the result

...probably about how a cat dialled 999 and saved its owner

Sounds of deafening silence on anything that actually matters, but yes they'll be a story about a cat, maybe wearing a christmas jumper, in there somewhere

because we demolish the inaccuracies

and then they cry that they have been bullied.

DGR My rescue hedgehog is doing well - that might do the trick

sorry, DrB I meant

Ah LQ you are forgetting that the UK gov't has done something to address the causes of the result... they have awarded contracts to their mates the causes who helped them to get those results with quite a lot of our £££

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/08/24/vote-leave-ai-firm-handed-new-government-contract-map-covid/

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-key-cummings-ally-given-840000-covid-contract-without-competition/

bylinetimes.com/2020/04/22/palantir-coronavirus-contract-did-not-go-to-competitive-tender/

You must buy your rescue hedgehog a christmas jumper that lights up and definitely she will make the front pages...