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Westminstenders: a feature of the system not a bug

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RedToothBrush · 25/11/2020 16:02

Tests on the new queuing system in Kent have revealed that lengthy tail backs are a feature not a bug.

We should get used to them because thats normal not the system malfunctioning, but the planned system working as designed.

Today we have found out that there's no money left. The economy is fucked. And tomorrow we will probably all be in T3 with the Isles of Wight, the tip of Cornwall and inner Westminster the only places left in T1.

Christmas has apparently been 'saved' though. Well if you are dumb and lacking in functional brain cells its 'saved'. Trade for Christmas is already thoroughly goosed and indoor family gatherings may come with a extra side of covid. The BBC have done an epic job of 'doommongering project fear' style graphics on this wonderful subject.

Tis the season to be jolly. Jolly fucked.

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Mistigri · 29/11/2020 10:27

It's like this government is in an arms race with itself to nominate the most incompetent and inappropriate candidates to all available positions.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/11/2020 11:09

Johnson has surrounded himself with such a fetid pool of talent, hasn’t he?

DGRossetti · 29/11/2020 11:32

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8997417/Government-sources-warn-No-Deal-Brexit-likely-public-expects.html

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'President Macron is aware that it is only a fraction of his industry. But for us as a party it is important to send the signal that we care about fishing towns.'
...

The problem with that signal, is the flags for it don't exist in the tool box of the Tory party. A party which not only does not - and never has - given a shit about fishing towns anywhere. But a party whose core electorate also really could not give a shit about said fishing towns too.

It's not Macron you need to convince. It's your own party.

mrslaughan · 29/11/2020 11:40

Who said "A failure of Statesmenship "🤔

DGRossetti · 29/11/2020 11:47

@mrslaughan

Who said "A failure of Statesmenship "🤔
Whoever it was, you can be sure they won't be confronted with it every again, so really they never said it.

And even if every single reporter at the BBC had to self isolate and they called me up to interview "the Johnster" and was able to get that question straight in, no messing, you know it would be rebutted with layer upon layer of lies and "out of context" and "nuance" and so on.

Best not to bother. Go out shopping instead.

Clavinova · 29/11/2020 11:54

It's like this government is in an arms race with itself to nominate the most incompetent and inappropriate candidates to all available positions.

Nadhim Zahawi has a degree in chemical engineering - he seems quite a suitable choice for Minister for Vaccine Deployment;

www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/managing-vaccine-manufacture-scaleup/
www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/vaccine-development-mind-the-gap/
www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/quickly-more-vaccines/

SabrinaThwaite · 29/11/2020 12:01

Nadhim Zahawi has a degree in chemical engineering

A degree in Chemical Engineering has fuck all to do with complicated logistics involved in purchasing, distribution and roll out.

Unless you think Zahawi is actually going to be manufacturing the vaccines himself (which is what your links are about)?

Clavinova · 29/11/2020 12:27

SabrinaThwaite
He still seems a good choice to me;

"More than 40 IChemE volunteers have formed a dedicated Covid-19 Response Team, offering to provide their time and expertise. It involves experts in pharmaceutical process scaleup, design, manufacture, and project management. The team’s work includes identifying bottlenecks to vaccine manufacture and how chemical engineers can help. It aims to respond quickly to calls for assistance and advice from Government, the NHS, or commercial interests."

Zahawi recently held a position as chief strategy officer in the private sector (petroleum industry).

Who would be your choice for the ministerial role instead - anyone in particular?

SabrinaThwaite · 29/11/2020 12:40

You do realise that Zahawi never actually worked as a chemical engineer? He's 35 years out of date on what's going on.

As for his "chief strategy officer" appointment - he was employed for his connections in Kurdistan (which is where GK operates), not for any technical knowledge.

Who would be your choice for the ministerial role instead - anyone in particular?

Since Hancock was assuring everybody last week that he was going to be in charge and it didn't need a separate minister, I'd rather see someone with proper logistics / project management credentials in charge under Hancock - oh, let's see, how about Tyrone Urch?

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 29/11/2020 13:17

This amused me:

mobile.twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1332614846819557377.

(A take on current negotiations, from Germany. Has subtitles.)

Clavinova · 29/11/2020 13:24

You do realise that Zahawi never actually worked as a chemical engineer?

I read his bio before posting - "Mr Zahawi has held a number of advisory roles in the Oil & Gas sector" - but he ignored all of the technical stuff according to you.

Matt Hancock has enough on his plate without adding any extras on top - I'm pleased that someone has pointed that out to him. As ministerial appointments go, Nadhim Zahawi seems like a good choice for this one - perhaps he will involve Tyrone Urch in some capacity.

dontcallmelen · 29/11/2020 13:34

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ListeningQuietly · 29/11/2020 13:41

I like this one

Westminstenders: a feature of the system not a bug
borntobequiet · 29/11/2020 13:46

[quote Clavinova]It's like this government is in an arms race with itself to nominate the most incompetent and inappropriate candidates to all available positions.

Nadhim Zahawi has a degree in chemical engineering - he seems quite a suitable choice for Minister for Vaccine Deployment;

www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/managing-vaccine-manufacture-scaleup/
www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/vaccine-development-mind-the-gap/
www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/quickly-more-vaccines/[/quote]
He’s not actually going to make the vaccine, you know.
I know three people with degrees in Chemical Engineering, and none of them would say it in any way qualifies them to supervise the roll out of a nationwide public health initiative that requires, most of all, an understanding of the health system and the logistics thereof.
But I do expect that it was your kind of thinking that got him the job - “Who do we have who’s a science bod? Nadhim? He’ll do. Very reliable chap, too.”

borntobequiet · 29/11/2020 13:50

I think that we can pretty much guarantee that Brexit will be the final nail in the coffin of the fishing industry and the towns it supports, as overseas (EU) markets collapse.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/11/2020 14:03

I read his bio before posting - "Mr Zahawi has held a number of advisory roles in the Oil & Gas sector" - but he ignored all of the technical stuff according to you

Oh Lordy, you really don't know how O&G works, do you?

Zahawi has no technical expertise in O&G and was not employed in a technical role for GK - he was there to smooth the way in Kurdish Iraq.

Next you'll be insisting that Portillo gave technical advice to Kerr-McGee on the basis of his history degree.

Clavinova · 29/11/2020 14:12

borntobequiet
He’s not actually going to make the vaccine, you know.

Obviously not - but he appears to have an appropriate range of skills and knowledge (or at least the capacity to understand what the IChemE bods and vaccine boffins are talking about) which make him a suitable choice for the ministerial role.

borntobequiet · 29/11/2020 14:17

Vaccine boffins
Very funny.

Clavinova · 29/11/2020 14:19

Zahawi has no technical expertise

He doesn't need expertise for a ministerial role.

His other role;
"Nadhim Zahawi was appointed as Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy on 26 July 2019."

SabrinaThwaite · 29/11/2020 14:30

@Clavinova

Zahawi has no technical expertise

He doesn't need expertise for a ministerial role.

His other role;
"Nadhim Zahawi was appointed as Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy on 26 July 2019."

But you were insisting that Zahawi has technical expertise in O&G and that was why GK employed him? (You're wrong).

Then you're insisting that Zahawi has skills and knowledge which means he can understand the manufacturing technology (unlikely, given that he has no industrial experience and completed his degree 35 years ago and hasn't touched it since).

But you're absolutely right that He doesn't need expertise for a ministerial role Grin

Oh, and he was another one moaning about taking a pay cut to become a minister:

Speaking to Channel 4 after his appointment to the Department for Education, Mr Zahawi declared: “I am pleased to take a pay cut and do this job.”

Mind you, the shareholders were glad to see the back of him:

The Conservative politician’s involvement at Gulf Keystone has been mired in controversy as it emerged he earned almost £30,000 (Dh148,970) a month for his role – more than the average Briton makes in an entire year.

The hefty compensation provoked anger among Gulf Keystone’s long-suffering shareholders, who have seen their investment in the company all but wiped out.

Once a darling of the stock market, the shares have collapsed by more than 99 per cent since 2012 as the firm battled with challenging geopolitics and high debt.

Over £350k per year plus £250k in bonus for up to 21 hrs a week, all whilst he was supposed to be working on behalf of his constituents?

www.thenationalnews.com/business/british-kurdish-mp-quits-controversial-oil-role-as-he-lands-new-ministerial-post-1.694454

DGRossetti · 29/11/2020 14:41

Clearing the squirrels out of the way, it's fascinating scouring the comments on the news of the DFDS new route from Ireland to France. Especially the rather dim comments from Brexiteers who are insisting that it's what they wanted all along. Fewer HGVs passing through England, so better for the environment, plus (mentioned too many times to support the original claim that Brexit was never about immigration) fewer chances for illegal immigrants to get into the UK.

Clavinova · 29/11/2020 14:57

SabrinaThwaite
But you were insisting that Zahawi has technical expertise in O&G and that was why GK employed him?

I wasn't suggesting he had technical expertise - I was being sarcastic about him ignoring all the technical stuff - I meant he clearly had some background knowledge of the technical stuff and the industry - not just his connections to Kurdistan -

The Guardian;
"Nadhim Zahawi, the Conservative MP for Stratford-on-Avon, received more than £1m from fossil fuel companies, all of it declared and legitimate. Zahawi spent much of his parliamentary career working as chief strategy officer for Gulf Keystone Petroleum, which paid him £52,325 in backpay in October 2015 and a monthly salary of £20,000 from October 2015, rising to almost £30,000 a month in August 2017, and some £330,000 in bonus payments. He stopped working for the company on becoming a government minister in 2018 (at which time he received a final payment of £116,000)."

"He also declared shareholdings in Genel Energy, an Anglo-Turkish oil and gas exploration and production company, and a donation from Amjad Bseisu, the chief executive of the UK-based oil company EnQuest."

"Until August 2015 the former oil exploration company Afren and the former Canadian oil company Talisman, which was a major producer from the Alberta tar sands, were clients of Zahawi & Zahawi, a business advisory service."

Once a darling of the stock market, the shares have collapsed by more than 99 per cent since 2012 as the firm battled with challenging geopolitics and high debt.

No doubt Zahawi is to blame for this as well;

"2017 Oil slump shows SNP’s sums to be wrong by £10.5bn" -

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scotland-independence-nicola-sturgeon-oil-slump-shows-snp-s-sums-to-be-wrong-by-10-5bn-mr6ngbv7j

SabrinaThwaite · 29/11/2020 15:10

I meant he clearly had some background knowledge of the technical stuff and the industry

He really doesn't. However much you might want to think he's technically knowledgeable, he has zero O&G knowledge or expertise to provide anything technical.

He was employed purely for his contacts with members of the KRG.

QueenOfThorns · 29/11/2020 15:12

Clearing the squirrels out of the way

Well that didn’t work, did it? Shall I send in the feline death squad?

Westminstenders: a feature of the system not a bug
Clavinova · 29/11/2020 15:18

he has zero O&G knowledge

I don't know how you can claim he has zero oil and gas knowledge.