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Westminstenders: a feature of the system not a bug

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RedToothBrush · 25/11/2020 16:02

Tests on the new queuing system in Kent have revealed that lengthy tail backs are a feature not a bug.

We should get used to them because thats normal not the system malfunctioning, but the planned system working as designed.

Today we have found out that there's no money left. The economy is fucked. And tomorrow we will probably all be in T3 with the Isles of Wight, the tip of Cornwall and inner Westminster the only places left in T1.

Christmas has apparently been 'saved' though. Well if you are dumb and lacking in functional brain cells its 'saved'. Trade for Christmas is already thoroughly goosed and indoor family gatherings may come with a extra side of covid. The BBC have done an epic job of 'doommongering project fear' style graphics on this wonderful subject.

Tis the season to be jolly. Jolly fucked.

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FatCatThinCat · 30/11/2020 12:00

If they're British married to an EU citizen, they are allowed to stay with their spouse. However, they will have to go though considerable paperwork to get working permits and won't be eligible for benefits anymore. If they are currently working, they might not be able to continue a until the working permit has been approved and social/welfare benefits will no longer be paid. If they want to travel from one EU country to another, they'll need a visa and (if 3+ months) residence card.

If non-working (retired, SAHM,...) they'll have to prove sufficient funds.

Don't forget all the costs involved too. We've spent a small fortune reaching the point where we are all now secure. Copies of birth certificate, parents certificates, grandparents, marriage certs for them all, death certs, registration costs, permanent residency costs, citizenship application costs, new passports. For each member of the family. We're lucky in that we could afford it. Lots aren't so lucky.

ListeningQuietly · 30/11/2020 12:00

Tee hee. We might stick a Christmas bow to her back for a picture.
She is a filthy thing though - Hedgehogs poo everywhere and do not wash !

FatCatThinCat · 30/11/2020 12:02

Did anyone see the Pfizer latest? Vaccine distribution wasn't expected to be too difficult due to Pfizer already having a suitable cold store in the UK. Except it's just come to light that it recently shut down due to brexit. OOps.

DGRossetti · 30/11/2020 12:03

Copies of birth certificate, parents certificates, grandparents, marriage certs for them all, death certs, registration costs, permanent residency costs, citizenship application costs, new passports

All scanned, and backup up multiple times, I trust ?

OchonAgusOchonO · 30/11/2020 12:05

@FatCatThinCat

Did anyone see the Pfizer latest? Vaccine distribution wasn't expected to be too difficult due to Pfizer already having a suitable cold store in the UK. Except it's just come to light that it recently shut down due to brexit. OOps.
Oops.
FatCatThinCat · 30/11/2020 12:05

All scanned, and backup up multiple times, I trust ?

After I lost them all a second time, yes.

TheABC · 30/11/2020 12:10

@ListeningQuietly

Tee hee. We might stick a Christmas bow to her back for a picture. She is a filthy thing though - Hedgehogs poo everywhere and do not wash !
Apparently, you can bathe them in warm water, using a toothbrush. Hedgehogs are famed for crapping everywhere whilst walking, literally like horses.

Flowers for your little hedgie LQ. Hope she makes it.

DGRossetti · 30/11/2020 12:12

@FatCatThinCat

All scanned, and backup up multiple times, I trust ?

After I lost them all a second time, yes.

I have quite a stash of scanned documents. Including a spreadsheet-indexed copy of all DWs medical and DWP correspondence going back to 1996. When the call to ESA came, I submitted the electronic form with 50 pages of scans.
Jason118 · 30/11/2020 13:12

And farmers care to run their eyes over this?

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/939683/farming-changing.pdf

I seem to recall we had dexra or someone similar who knew a thing or two on the subject.

DGRossetti · 30/11/2020 14:34

@Jason118

And farmers care to run their eyes over this?

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/939683/farming-changing.pdf

I seem to recall we had dexra or someone similar who knew a thing or two on the subject.

Lump sum exit scheme

In 2022, we will introduce an exit scheme to help farmers who wish to retire to do so. They will be offered the chance to take a lump sum in place of any further BPS and delinked payments. Rules for lump sum payments will be set following consultation with farmers, early in 2021. We plan to introduce exit payments from 2022, subject to consultation.

(contd)

Hardly supporting British farming ? Although a great way to make farms available for foreign US investors as a base to produce their shit food without importing it.

Too cynical ?

TatianaBis · 30/11/2020 14:50

The plan for farming will be devastating.

The total of £2.4bn a year currently paid to farmers will remain the same until 2025, as promised in the Conservative manifesto. Currently, two-thirds of this is paid solely for owning land, but the proportion will fall to one-third by 2025 and zero by 2028. Funds for environmental action will rise from a quarter of the total to more than half by 2025, with the remaining funds used to increase productivity.

The new green payments will be trialled with 5,000 farmers before a full launch in 2024. But the level of payments for work such as natural flood defences and restoring peatlands and saltmarshes has not yet been set. Nor has the likely cut in carbon emissions been quantified.

The president of the National Farmers’ Union, Minette Batters, said: “Farming is changing and we look forward to working with ministers and officials to co-create the new schemes.”

But she added: “Expecting farmers to run viable, high-cost farm businesses, continue to produce food and increase their environmental delivery, while phasing out existing support and without a complete replacement scheme for almost three years is high risk and a very big ask.”

The cuts are expected to reduce the income of livestock farmers, for example, by 60% to 80% by 2024, Batters said.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/30/environment-to-benefit-from-biggest-farming-shake-up-in-50-years

DGRossetti · 30/11/2020 15:29

The cuts are expected to reduce the income of livestock farmers, for example, by 60% to 80% by 2024, Batters said.

Thus making farms available for purchase at a song. For Tory mates. Luxury flats a go go, and when you've run out of flood plains to build on you can flog the rest to your US firms to use to produce their delightful ranges of cheap food from.

Trebles all round !

DGRossetti · 30/11/2020 15:43

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brussels-urges-renewed-transatlantic-alliance-with-bidens-america/30/11/

Brussels urges renewed transatlantic alliance with Biden's America

The European Union intends to call on Joe Biden to seize a “once-in-a-generation” chance to forge a new transatlantic alliance, in a pitch to meet the “strategic challenge” posed by China – and leave the tensions of the Trump era behind.

A draft EU plan, seen by the Financial Times, calls for new cooperation on problems as wide-ranging as digital regulation, fighting Covid-19 and tackling deforestation.

The paper, which was prepared by the European Commission, cites the need for “maintenance and renewal” in the EU-US relationship, so that democracies are able to counter “authoritarian powers” and “closed economics that exploit the openness our own societies depend on”.

In an 11-page set of draft policy proposals – entitled “a new EU-US agenda for global change” – Brussels appeals to the US to put longstanding transatlantic tensions, including Europe’s push for increased taxation of US tech giants, behind them.

And it suggests that the EU and Washington join forces to shape a new digital regulatory framework – such as by adopting common approaches to data protection and antitrust enforcement.

Elsewhere in the paper, the Commission calls for cooperation on the development and deployment of vaccines to battle Covid-19 and an effort to reform the embattled World Health Organisation.

High on the list of priorities for the EU in the Biden era is a collaborative response to China, which was often lacking under Donald Trump.

“As open democratic societies and market economies, the EU and the US agree on the strategic challenge presented by China’s growing international assertiveness, even if we do not always agree on the best way to address this,” the paper says.

Peregrina · 30/11/2020 15:48

It seems reminiscent of the same 'encouragement' given to trawler owners to sell their boats and quotas. I don't doubt that many farmers will throw in the towel.

However, is it not the case that it's difficult to intensively rear lamb, which most of our upland farmland is only suitable?

DGRossetti · 30/11/2020 15:53

@Peregrina

It seems reminiscent of the same 'encouragement' given to trawler owners to sell their boats and quotas. I don't doubt that many farmers will throw in the towel.

However, is it not the case that it's difficult to intensively rear lamb, which most of our upland farmland is only suitable?

However, is it not the case that it's difficult to intensively rear lamb, which most of our upland farmland is only suitable?

And luxury homes, of course.

borntobequiet · 30/11/2020 16:40

Yes, that’s both farming and fishing thrown under a bus. Anything beginning with F seems to be fair game. Financial services are stuffed too, with no passporting. I’m trying to think of other F-sectors.

ListeningQuietly · 30/11/2020 16:55

Food

DGRossetti · 30/11/2020 16:55

Fucking ?

borntobequiet · 30/11/2020 16:57

DGR I immediately thought of that but dismissed it as indecorous. Tsk tsk.
Also unclear how it’s affected by Brexit.

DGRossetti · 30/11/2020 17:00

@borntobequiet

DGR I immediately thought of that but dismissed it as indecorous. Tsk tsk. Also unclear how it’s affected by Brexit.
Well we're all fucked ?

Isn't life defined by the four "F's" ? Food, fight, flight and reproduction ?

borntobequiet · 30/11/2020 17:47

OK will accept being fucked, if you insist.

DGRossetti · 30/11/2020 17:48

@borntobequiet

OK will accept being fucked, if you insist.
This is probably going to be one of the times you wished MN had an edit button ....
Greektome · 30/11/2020 17:49

Isn't it just that everything is fucked, regardless of which letter it starts with?

TonMoulin · 30/11/2020 18:03

@FatCatThinCat I hope that you are now feeling safe in the idea you can stay.

My point wasn’t that it isn’t difficult for brits in Europe. I know things have changed a lot. And that those rules will affect badly some people there.

I think that I’m just trusting those governments more than the BRITISH one. I might have the SS but I have nothing to prove that. And I know many people who are struggling to provide evidence for the last 5 years. A birth certificate feels easy compare to some of the loops they’ve had to jump through. So many that have fallen through the gaps and/or didnt. The status they should have got.

I’m probably quite bitter and sad about it all. Esp when such a huge number were also those who voted brexit. :( :(