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Westminstenders: a feature of the system not a bug

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RedToothBrush · 25/11/2020 16:02

Tests on the new queuing system in Kent have revealed that lengthy tail backs are a feature not a bug.

We should get used to them because thats normal not the system malfunctioning, but the planned system working as designed.

Today we have found out that there's no money left. The economy is fucked. And tomorrow we will probably all be in T3 with the Isles of Wight, the tip of Cornwall and inner Westminster the only places left in T1.

Christmas has apparently been 'saved' though. Well if you are dumb and lacking in functional brain cells its 'saved'. Trade for Christmas is already thoroughly goosed and indoor family gatherings may come with a extra side of covid. The BBC have done an epic job of 'doommongering project fear' style graphics on this wonderful subject.

Tis the season to be jolly. Jolly fucked.

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borntobequiet · 08/12/2020 05:10

Biden, his team and the Irish caucus in the US will be watching carefully and won’t be remotely impressed at the Westminster government’s willingness to throw the GFA under the bus.
The idea of a US trade deal in any way favourable to the U.K. is slipping further away daily. What planet are these Tory numpties (and anyone else who voted for the Bill) living on?

pussycatinboots · 08/12/2020 06:55

[quote borntobequiet]www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/ill-cut-off-my-own-dick-dont-think-i-wont-johnson-threatens-eu-20201207203295[/quote]
born I thought he'd already got rid of Dom? 😂

bellinisurge · 08/12/2020 08:12

Born, that is excellent.

bellinisurge · 08/12/2020 08:23

Go on, who had "pelagic fish" on their Brexit Bingo Card ? 😂

Whenwillow · 08/12/2020 08:49

That daily mash made me laugh born
Good to see a bit of gallows humour here. I'm feeling anxious about what lies ahead.

pussycatinboots · 08/12/2020 09:09

bellini Joan of Arc got a mention too Xmas Grin

DGRossetti · 08/12/2020 10:58

@borntobequiet

Biden, his team and the Irish caucus in the US will be watching carefully and won’t be remotely impressed at the Westminster government’s willingness to throw the GFA under the bus. The idea of a US trade deal in any way favourable to the U.K. is slipping further away daily. What planet are these Tory numpties (and anyone else who voted for the Bill) living on?
It's so much worse than that.

So much worse.

We're forgetting that Obama - and it's not like he didn't have access to some of the worlds top independent analysts as well as his own partisan advisers - effectively determined that Brexit was bad for the USA. Which is a world apart from just being a "Meh, do what you want".

If you like reading between the lines (and what else can you do in the face of so few facts from Brexiteers) then it's clear Obama warned Cameron of this before the referendum. But Cameron - with the posh boy entitlement that we now know Obama found ... deficient in leadership - plugged ahead arrogantly until he lost. It's hard not to presume his flight from power was also a flight from some serious arse kickin' boots across the water.

Now, 4 years later - with Brexit still a car crash, the UK is about to meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The very same people that said oer 4 years ago: Don't Brexit - it will hurt the USA

Obviously the UK isn't a vassal state of the US. In much the same way Scotland is not a vassal state of the UK. However there is a world of difference between a neighbour that says "I don't gove a shit what colour you paint your house" and a neighbour that says "I know you can paint your house whatever colour you like. But since I like showing people around my house, please be aware that painting it dayglo yellow would harm my house too.

Oh, and unless there's been a rapid turnaround in Bidens planning, trade deals are off the table for everyone. He's already said he wants to get US businesses competitive internally before negotiating with other countries. And wasn't there a suggestion that the UK would have to have it's EU deal sorted before the US would start talking ?

It's already clear that personally Biden has no time for Boris anyway. And that would have been without the egregious needling of Ireland.

None of this should really come as a shock to anyone who has been paying attention (which won't be any Brexiteers). And moreover, I don't think anything has actually changed, apart from the honesty. I don't think Trump had a seconds care for anything the UK wanted - even if it was in his power to deliver it, which it wasn't.

The final kicker is that in 2021 the UK loses what little arrangements it had with the US anyway, as all the EU deals stop working. I have no idea what the implications of that are generally. But a lot of software licensing is undertaken to countries in the EU as a bloc. Will the UK out of the EU suddenly see a spike in prices and less favourable conditions as we're no longer protected by the EU monopolies commission ?

TonMoulin · 08/12/2020 11:03

New discovery of the day. Brits will need a visa to be able to travel in the EU by 2022, document that will ask them a lot of inofrmation includin info about their health. Oh dear....
And they can be banned from the EU for a year if they overstay....

www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/will-i-need-visa-eu-brexit-b1767654.html

I'm sure not a lot of brexiters thoought they would be treated like this at the border... You know like... third countries citizens aka potentila immigrants that might try and force their way into the EU.

TonMoulin · 08/12/2020 11:11

DG I have to say, I haven't seen a lot about what we are actually lossing by just leaving. All the agreements and FTA that were in place and now aren't.

It IS going to be s hit show and newspapers waking up NOW on the risk of food shortages arent helping tbh. This should have been said loud and clear years ago before any irreversible decisions were taken.

The issue here is politicians lying through their teeth. But it's also the press not doing its job properly and letting those lies unchecked.

So now there is no choice. There is no 'trying to remain in the EU' or even 'get the best deal we can'. The UK will have to make do with whatever it has, hoepfully a bit more than No Deal. And it will have to deal with the uncrease in food prices, poverty, and queues at the border (because lets face it, I cant see how those queues will not happen even if they get some sort of deal).
My question to those in government is:
What have you put in place to mitigate all of those major issues?

DGRossetti · 08/12/2020 11:15

@TonMoulin

New discovery of the day. Brits will need a visa to be able to travel in the EU by 2022, document that will ask them a lot of inofrmation includin info about their health. Oh dear.... And they can be banned from the EU for a year if they overstay....

www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/will-i-need-visa-eu-brexit-b1767654.html

I'm sure not a lot of brexiters thoought they would be treated like this at the border... You know like... third countries citizens aka potentila immigrants that might try and force their way into the EU.

With anyone with a criminal record being turned away - you know, like Priti Patel will do for EU citizens.

oops.

OchonAgusOchonO · 08/12/2020 11:31

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/brexit-eu-shifting-from-compromise-to-no-deal-preparations-coveney-1.4430170

Looks like most of the EU is now resigned to no deal.

The mood is starting to shift among EU leaders away from securing the compromises necessary to reach an agreement to preparing for a no-deal outcome, Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney warned on Monday night, after another day of inconclusive Brexit talks.

Mr Coveney also spoke about “a great deal of frustration on the EU side, not just within the EU negotiating team . . . but also across member states” and said that many EU foreign ministers were becoming resigned to a no-deal.

Peregrina · 08/12/2020 11:34

This should have been said loud and clear years ago before any irreversible decisions were taken.

It was said loud and clear and dismissed as Project Fear. They need us more than we need them, easiest deals in history done in an afternoon blah de blah de blah.

ListeningQuietly · 08/12/2020 12:32

I am ready for January
Double Tap
GrinWinkGrinWinkGrinWinkGrinWinkGrinWinkGrinWink

Alondra · 08/12/2020 12:38

@ListeningQuietly

I am ready for January Double Tap GrinWinkGrinWinkGrinWinkGrinWinkGrinWinkGrinWink
Me too. I think Brexit is bad for everyone in the short term but very good for the EU in the medium/long time frame.

It will be easier to make decisions about further integration considering what's coming with climate change and the rise of China as a global economy/superpower.

TheElementsOfMedical · 08/12/2020 12:46

This thread is hilarious.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4100769-Really-very-sad-with-France

ListeningQuietly · 08/12/2020 12:59

Elements
THe opening poster on that thread watches the sunset over St Basils
I encountered them on Trump threads

DGRossetti · 08/12/2020 13:12

I am sure fellow posters will agree.

Fuck Farage.

Fuck Priti Patel.

Westminstenders: a feature of the system not a bug
ListeningQuietly · 08/12/2020 13:19

The bluster and the headlines cannot hide the reality of what is in here
cdn.obr.uk/CCS1020397650-001_OBR-November2020-EFO-v2-Web-accessible.pdf
Page 200 of the PDF onwards
the charts do the talking

Jason118 · 08/12/2020 13:32

Not sure if this is dramatic news or not as I'm not familiar with the internal markets bill as it relates to NI.

In view of these mutually agreed solutions, the UK will withdraw clauses 44, 45 and 47 of the UK Internal Market Bill, and not introduce any similar provisions in the Taxation Bill.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/eu-uk-joint-committee-statement-on-implementation-of-the-withdrawal-agreement/eu-uk-joint-committee-statement-on-implementation-of-the-withdrawal-agreement

WorriedMutha · 08/12/2020 13:41

So we're dropping the offending clauses from the IMB and the forthcoming taxation bill. Quelle Surprise.
Ladder for Boris someone.

Jason118 · 08/12/2020 13:44

Make it an extending turntable one

TheElementsOfMedical · 08/12/2020 13:53

@ListeningQuietly

Elements THe opening poster on that thread watches the sunset over St Basils I encountered them on Trump threads
Ah, that makes sense. Professional WUM. I think I've seen them on FWR too.
Peregrina · 08/12/2020 13:59

So we're dropping the offending clauses from the IMB and the forthcoming taxation bill. Quelle Surprise.

I thought they'd just voted to put them back? Has Biden been on the blower to Johnson then?

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