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Westministenders: Its the waiting that kills you

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RedToothBrush · 05/11/2020 19:22

Just waiting.

Talks between Frost and Barnier still unresolved issues. There are rumours but 'all without evidence' (the new in phrase on BBC news tonight) that the UK is waivering.

Less that two months to go.

And there is the small matter of what happens in the US than might influence events.

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TatianaBis · 11/11/2020 23:11

Yeah Cummings ‘considering his position’ and deciding to stay put.

DrBlackbird · 11/11/2020 23:11

[quote HesterThrale]Shenanigans in no.10 tonight, Cummings ' considering his position'.

Oh for a grown-up government.

twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1326639308980301826[/quote]
Interesting Hester yet the Graun was also reporting something about Lee Cain (I think that was him) as being appointed Head of communications are something yes I'm being a bit vague, long day for No 10. And that he was Dom's no 2 in the Vote Leave campaign so it was being touted as Johnson absolutely reinforcing a brexiteer mind set in key positions. And presumably at the behest of Dom, which seems at odds with rumours of him leaving. Anyhow, mr indecisive couldn't manage without Do,.

TokyoSushi · 11/11/2020 23:12

I'd be surprised if Cummings goes, he enjoys the power too much. We'll see, but I think unlikely.

TatianaBis · 11/11/2020 23:15

If he managed to cling on thro barefaced lie gate he ain’t going to be peeled off now.

SabrinaThwaite · 11/11/2020 23:18

Also rumours about Frost.

I’d be laughing that the lot of them might be disappearing off into the sunset leaving Johnson to carry the can, except for being in the middle of a pandemic and 1st January just a few weeks away.

DrBlackbird · 11/11/2020 23:23

Ah an updated explanation... Mr Cain has worked with Mr Johnson for several years, initially on the Leave campaign during the EU referendum. In a statement he said he was leaving despite having been offered the vacant role of chief of staff in No 10

So he had been offered a job, but is apparently declined it. Leading to speculation about Dom also leaving, but yes the man clearly loves the power. Can't see him wanting to abandon his big project.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54907188

SabrinaThwaite · 11/11/2020 23:24

So instead the man responsible for this as PM’s director of communications Hmm

Westministenders: Its the waiting that kills you
ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 11/11/2020 23:25

Timing is all. In the immortal words of Kenny Rogers:

^"You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run" ^

TatianaBis · 11/11/2020 23:25

Yeah that’s the only realistic scenario - bolting before the stable door slams shut.

DrBlackbird · 11/11/2020 23:32

Well that sends a clear signal about the direction of No 10's agenda Sabrina. We can look forward to a doubling down on the judiciary.

Zixxy · 11/11/2020 23:52

Maybe something is afoot. I dunno, this is what I heard just now, but hey it's Twitter.

mobile.twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1326650740505534464

DrBlackbird · 11/11/2020 23:55

Last comment of the day, then sleep beckons, but this tweet from Tommy Vietor, a former Obama speechwriter, called for being posted here. In reaction to Johnson's message of congratulation to Biden, he wrote “This shapeshifting creep weighs in. We will never forget your racist comments about Obama and slavish devotion to Trump..." Another indication of a change in the US-UK's special relationship?

SabrinaThwaite · 12/11/2020 06:52

Johnson’s racist jibes at Obama’s Kenyan heritage in 2016 obviously haven’t been forgotten.

Clavinova · 12/11/2020 07:41

*this tweet from Tommy Vietor, a former Obama speechwriter^

Tommy Vietor left White House employment 3 years before Johnson's article on Obama;

"Vietor left the White House in March 2013, along with Obama's Director of Speechwriting Jon Favreau, to pursue a career in private sector consulting and screenwriting."

"Shortly after the November 2016 election, Vietor, Lovett and Favreau decided to pursue podcasting and activism on a full-time basis."

DrBlackbird · 12/11/2020 07:54

Okay, I'll bite. What does that mean Clav? That he's not allowed to make any comments on Johnson? I'm truly curious as to how it's possible to condemn his comments on the basis of not having been speechwriter at the time of Johnson's 2016 comments.

Clavinova · 12/11/2020 07:56

Spectator 2016 -
"The hounding of Boris for his ‘Kenyan’ comment is the dumbest Twitterstorm yet."

"Normally, Twitterstorms, those unhinged uprisings against a politician or celeb who has dared to make an outré utterance, are best treated like tantrum-throwing two-year-olds. Stand back, let them do their foot-stomping, and wait for them to exhaust themselves. But the storm over Boris’s ‘part-Kenyan’ remark in relation to Obama is different. This Twitterstorm has been so dumb, and so destructive, that it cannot simply be allowed to pass and take its place in the bulging book of Times People Went Unnecessarily Crazy About Something. No, we need a reckoning with this Twitterstorm. We need to take stock."

^"As a keen watcher of Twitterstorms, I’m struggling to remember any that have been as batty and as immune to factual information as the Boris one. Boris is being put through the wringer, slurred as racist, for writing a Sun column last week in which he wondered if Obama’s ‘part-Kenyan’ heritage may have been behind his decision in 2009 to move a bust of Winston Churchill out of the Oval Office. In his little list of the various reasons people gave for Obama’s shifting of the Churchill bust, Boris includes this sentence: ‘Some said it was a symbol of the part-Kenyan President’s ancestral dislike of the British empire–of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender.’ ...

"Oh, and the Guardian said it, too. Yes, the newspaper that has been outraged by Boris's comments, and whose hacks have been stirring up the defamatory mob on Twitter, said the same thing as Boris. In March 2009, the Guardian asked if Obama’s ‘colonial heritage’ might ‘spell the end of the special relationship’. In relation to Obama’s moving around of the Churchill bust, the Guardian suggested this demonstrated that Obama’s ‘Kenyan…ancestry’ is ‘helping to reshape America’s supposedly “special relationship” with Britain’. The ‘darker days of the UK's relationship with Kenya’ could be coming back to haunt us, it said."

"In short, Obama may have taken certain actions, including in relation to the Churchill bust, because of his Kenyan heritage. Racist Guardian! This is how mental the Boris-bashing Twitterstorm has been: he has been demonised and made into handwringing headline fodder at the Guardian for reporting what the Guardian itself said seven years ago."

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-hounding-of-boris-for-his-kenyan-comment-is-the-dumbest-twitterstorm-yet

Shrillharridan · 12/11/2020 08:02

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Clavinova · 12/11/2020 08:02

"After Mr Johnson publicly congratulated Mr Biden on his victory, former Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor responded: “This shapeshifting creep weighs in. We will never forget your racist comments about Obama and slavish devotion to Trump.”

"But Senator Chris Coons, a close ally of the new President, said that the Prime Minister was “more agile, engaging, educated and forward looking than perhaps the caricature of him in the American press would have suggested”. Grin

"He told the BBC: “The reality is that the current Government in the UK shares a number of the biggest priorities that a new Biden/Harris administration will have. Principally combating climate change, finding ways to work together on privacy and security issues, and promoting democracy in the world.”

inews.co.uk/us-election-2020/boris-johnson-use-climate-build-bridges-joe-biden-brexit-753191

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2020 08:31
  1. i dont think any one will go tbh. Its hot air and the prize is little morw than 6 weeks away now. They will go after that
  2. if they do its not necessarily because of this. It gives Johnson room to move a uturn on a deal
  3. it means they get to walk away immediately and not be blamed for any such uturn
  4. this leaves them free to act like orange buffoons undermining liberal democracy in the same way, with a view to a possible return
  5. so them going might not be the greatest thing anyway as they walk away without the weight of full responsibility for the comibg mess.

... However there are many around the pm who see events in the us as necessitating a rapid change of image for the pm

And i suspect they will go very soon into the new year amd this is helpful groundwork for an imminent already planned departure.

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TatianaBis · 12/11/2020 08:32

BLM does not = Boris’s Life Matters Clav.

The Spectator apologia is embarrassing.

TheElementsOfMedical · 12/11/2020 08:33

I was hoping for a screed of C&Ping about the wondrous interplanetary musical opportunities on the moons of Saturn in response to Howard Goodall's thread. How disappointing to only get one mangy squirrel of irrelevance. Sad!

TatianaBis · 12/11/2020 08:35

Agreed RTB. Cummings et al are sounding like the kind of husbands who threaten to leave every time a couple has a row.

G’wan then. Wine

Emilyontmoor · 12/11/2020 08:48

I see that someone has chosen to split hairs on whether 50,000 deaths puts us in the lead in the grizzly European Covid death league The figure put into sharp relief by the fact that at the “bottom” (or top if you are using humanity as a measure) of that league table worldwide there are countries who have contained Covid to the extent that deaths are in three figures at most, and the economic damage contained.

No quibble with the rest of my post. All the pigs with their snouts in the trough making money out of the crisis, and who will do so again in January. That goes without comment. Just shows how we have moved from a liberal society that valued human life and happiness, and had a health service and welfare system to sustain that aim, to a banana republic where the good of the few outweighs the needs of the many.

Sostenueto · 12/11/2020 09:06

Cummings will never leave.
Not while he can keep pulling Boris's strings.
And as far as Bojo's girlfriend how the f* does she get a say in anything? She's no one. And there will be extension on talks with EU. I can see it in my cloudy crystal ball.

Emilyontmoor · 12/11/2020 09:28

What is going on in No 10 is all a bit reminiscent of the Poliburo/Central Committee of the CCP. Jostling for power, infighting, it’s what happens when too much power gets centralised on an unaccountable body....