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Westminstenders: Prepare for what we said would never happen

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RedToothBrush · 16/10/2020 12:52

I think that there may be a run on tinned tomatoes and pasta coming. Pizza will no longer have mozzarella in 2021.

On the plus side turnips are in season.

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prettybird · 20/10/2020 22:22

@RedToothBrush

A Vision of the United Kingdom.
There's an error in that map: Kent is in France Wink
BigChocFrenzy · 20/10/2020 22:50

@Zeebeezee

RedToothBrush.

I live in hope. I am living in a country that will be severely impacted by No Deal.

But no matter what, we will still be in the EU and I hope they will stand by us, which they said the would. Better to be inside the tent and all that.

.... The EU have said they'll help, including with transport In particular you'll have the 900lb gorilla in your corner if the Uk tries bullyboy tactics against Ireland. Again

Who will help the UK, I wonder
Trump will demand a very high price and in practice can only offer that 0.16% in UK GDP, which doesn't come close to what the Uk loses from EU trade
and certainly won't help the Dover / Kent stack

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2020 22:53

@Zeebeezee

RedToothBrush.

I live in hope. I am living in a country that will be severely impacted by No Deal.

But no matter what, we will still be in the EU and I hope they will stand by us, which they said the would. Better to be inside the tent and all that.

You'll be fine. You aren't IN the UK.

Unless us.

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RedToothBrush · 20/10/2020 22:53

*unlike.

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BigChocFrenzy · 20/10/2020 22:56

Shocking suffering in GM, restrictions on and on without an end in sight
now they are getting stomped on by No 10

Do Northern Tories really think this is OK ?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/10/2020 23:00

@Zeebeezee

RedToothBrush.

I live in hope. I am living in a country that will be severely impacted by No Deal.

But no matter what, we will still be in the EU and I hope they will stand by us, which they said the would. Better to be inside the tent and all that.

... You have the priceless advantage that BJ, Gove, Raab, Patel, JRM, Truss & the rest of the gang - and they are a gang - are not running your country
Zeebeezee · 20/10/2020 23:08

It is not just about me here in ROI which is a wonderful place believe me. Covid apart of course.

The impact on everyone in UK and here where I am is going to be dire I think.

Cannot get my head around it all. Are people asleep or do they not care anymore, punch drunk maybe or bored by it all, and then it will slip in. Ugh.

Zeebeezee · 20/10/2020 23:12

Oh and we are in lockdown for six weeks now here, but the majority are buying in to it even if we are all bored and fed up. Was bound to happen and the financial supports will continue.

Schools still open but I don't see that working beyond November somehow, unless the numbers decrease significantly.

Pepperwort · 20/10/2020 23:13

Re communications between Westminster and anywhere, Sky news did have a story on its front page featuring a video of the mayor of Middlesbrough complaining that he'd not heard anything either - I was watching it just before the press conference started. And wasn't there that guff about how the government were talking to supermarkets, which had similarly no knowledge of any such thing going on?

It's a weird way to run a country, in any times.

Pepperwort · 20/10/2020 23:14

Middlesborough.

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2020 23:18

@Pepperwort

Re communications between Westminster and anywhere, Sky news did have a story on its front page featuring a video of the mayor of Middlesbrough complaining that he'd not heard anything either - I was watching it just before the press conference started. And wasn't there that guff about how the government were talking to supermarkets, which had similarly no knowledge of any such thing going on?

It's a weird way to run a country, in any times.

Ive just seen something from west Yorkshire saying the government hadn't talked to them even though they said they had on another thread.
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Pepperwort · 20/10/2020 23:19

I thought Corbyn was supposed to be poor on communications. This is ludicrous.

prettybird · 20/10/2020 23:25

Pepperwort - you were right the first time Wink

Used to rock for ICI Petrochemicals & Plastics Division and learnt the quirky way "Middlesbrough" is spelt Confused

Pepperwort · 20/10/2020 23:30

oops. I'm not a native in the north-east. Smile

prettybird · 20/10/2020 23:32

But I need to correct my own typo: should have been "work" not "rock" Blush

BigChocFrenzy · 21/10/2020 00:18

"Fuck business" so what did they expect

Simon Jackk@BBCSimonJack*

Biz leaders describe "terrible call" with PM & Gove.

"Unbelievable disresepectful to concerns of business".

PM said COVID had created "too much apathy in business" to get ready.

No update on state of talks.

Gove described process as "like moving house"...
..a bit of disruption but soon get used to bigger better house".
< No you fuckwit, it's moving to a much smaller, worse house >

Another said -"more of a lecture".

Small business groups pressed for transition vouchers to pay for extra prep which Gove agreed to take up with HMT.
Another "Felt like a box being ticked - "yes we've spoken to biz"

QueenOfThorns · 21/10/2020 06:48

@BigChocFrenzy

Shocking suffering in GM, restrictions on and on without an end in sight now they are getting stomped on by No 10

Do Northern Tories really think this is OK ?

Half of Mumsnet seems to think it’s ok, based on a thread I was reading yesterday evening Angry

What people don’t seem to understand is that going into tier 3 isn’t a magic bullet - I can’t see it having much impact on infection rates at all, but it will seriously affect many people’s livelihoods Sad

Anyway, this will become clear over time, at which point the Tories will rewrite history to make it all someone else’s fault.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/10/2020 07:22

Assuming these Tweets are legit (they are now deleted), Manchester Young Cons are a tad unhappy.

Westminstenders: Prepare for what we said would never happen
Westminstenders: Prepare for what we said would never happen
TheElementsOfMedical · 21/10/2020 08:05

Do Northern Tories really think this is OK ?

Short answer: Yes.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/10/2020 08:18

George Peretz QC on Twitter also thinking that the Salisbury Convention won't apply to HoL and IMB:

Indeed, by preventing the current government from reneging on the agreement sold to us as an “excellent” “oven-ready” deal, the Lords would be holding the current government to its manifesto: a sort of “reverse Salisbury”.

Pepperwort · 21/10/2020 09:11

So no communications with regional government, local councils have long been treated with contempt, essential food infrastructure - no, essential logistics and transport infrastructure - no, and there was all that trouble about the breakdown in communications from the bottom of the local health organisations. Who exactly does this man talk to? Too busy sorting out all the affairs that led to an unknown number of children?

As a total aside, although in view of that last question perhaps more relevant than initially appears: is anyone else noticing a ubiquity of men involved in these organisations? We seem to be back firmly in the age of stereotypes.

prettybird · 21/10/2020 09:14

Gove described process as "like moving house"...
..a bit of disruption but soon get used to bigger better house".
< No you fuckwit, it's moving to a much smaller, worse house >

It's not just that it is a smaller, worse house, but also you don't even know where it is, so you can't even book the removal men Angry

AuldAlliance · 21/10/2020 09:22

And the removal men are stuck in Kent, peeing in plastic bottles.

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2020 09:22

How about issue with communication with Wales, Scotland and NI.

Interesting article today from the ft on this and how its not just brexit breaking up the union.

www.ft.com/content/05bcdeed-ce2d-4009-a3bc-cf9bb71c43d5
Will coronavirus break the UK?
Covid-19 has already driven a greater wedge between the four nations, testing the boundaries of power. But could it push them even further apart?

It was a planeload of tourists returning from Greece that perhaps did most to expose the strain Covid-19 has put on the UK and the uneasy balance of power between its four nations. Sixteen of those flying into Cardiff airport on August 25 from Zante tested positive for coronavirus, forcing all 193 passengers to self-isolate.

For the Welsh government in Cardiff, the conclusion was clear-cut: Zante was a coronavirus hotspot and urgently needed to be added to the list of destinations requiring quarantine.

Vaughan Gething, the Welsh health minister, contacted UK government officials in London. Like Scotland, which had already imposed a quarantine on Greece, Wales had the right to impose its own public health measures but wanted to maintain a united front. This view was shared by Mark Drakeford, Wales’s first minister, who admitted to being “surprised” that London had left Wales the power to diverge on this. Hehad assumed the government would act under border security law rather than public health legislation.

“My view was that unless there was a very good reason why we feel we should depart from what the UK government was doing, we should stick with the decisions that they made,” says Mr Gething.

But what followed tested that theory to destruction. Delays, unanswered requests to central government and finally an incident that seemed to sum up the fraying edges of the four nations of the UK.

The crunch point for Mr Gething came on September 3. The British government did not see the need to quarantine travel from the whole of Greece and was still resisting the idea of quarantining individual regions. Before taking any decision, Mr Gething sent a letter with his arguments and agreed to wait for a meeting with the transport secretary that was arranged for 6pm that evening — but at 5pm the UK government announced it was keeping Greece off the quarantine list for England anyway. “We didn’t get a response to our letter,” Mr Gething recalls. “And then the UK made its decision an hour before we were due to meet.”

Enraged, surprised and baffled, Wales then acted unilaterally, adding Zante to its own quarantine list the next day. The following week the UK government followed suit for England

The article is a long read and this is just part of it...

It just highlights the complete inability and lack of willingness to work with people outside Westminster and this utter arrogance in not listening to anyone else.

Its appalling.

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TheABC · 21/10/2020 09:36

The problem is that the Tories can spin this as much as they want. However, people won't forget who cost them their jobs, homes and food due to a game of political one-up-man-ship. It's a visceral and simple unfairness, along the lines of Dom going to Durham.

Is there anyone left that this cabinet has not alienated?