Westminstenders: Prepare for what we said would never happen

[RedToothBrush]

I think that there may be a run on tinned tomatoes and pasta coming. Pizza will no longer have mozzarella in 2021.

On the plus side turnips are in season.

I think there is still time for a decent deal.

I also object to people saying Biden is as bad as Trump.

@TomMRiddle

I think there is still time for a decent deal.

I also object to people saying Biden is as bad as Trump.

No deal can possibly come within 1,000 miles of replicating what we've lost. There could never be a decent deal. Just one that is the least shit.

Record lead of 'wrong' over 'right'.

A fat lot of good that will do us now.

I can't see how there is time to get anything like a decent deal now. Johnson could get his nodding donkeys (MPs) to vote for an extension, and then we would have time, but otherwise - no.

Biden is nowhere near as bad as Trump.
But he did forget who his opponent was this morning .
Biden will have the better team and will be better for the world.
BUT
In terms of supporting the UK Govt on all things Brexit ....
not a chance

I think holding that up as evidence that he's not up to it is inaccurate.

Its near enough the end of a very long campaign and Biden has outperformed Trump at every stage.

Trump just makes shit up.

Oh I agree that we can't replace what we have lost.

I read a commentator before the vote saying it would probably transpire that the best deal the UK could have was the one it had on 22nd of June 2016.

There's a big list of things Biden could quite accurately call Trump. "George" really isn't anything to write home about. Trump of course is well known to be erudite.

So here we are awaiting the outcome of the Prez Election for Johnson to decide where the hammer falls re deal or no deal, have I got that right?.

You could not make this up.

Anyway, as an ROI resident, no deal will hit us very hard indeed, but our Gov has been planning for four years, so hopefully that forward planning + EU support will help if it all goes South.

Look I know imports and exports between ROI and UK are astronomical. Shame that it might come to disaster, and trade between UK and EU also.

I get the feeling that the posturing it is all just manna for the people, and a bit of common sense will prevail in the end. OK I know I'm a bit mad!

@TomMRiddle

Oh I agree that we can't replace what we have lost.

I read a commentator before the vote saying it would probably transpire that the best deal the UK could have was the one it had on 22nd of June 2016.

Very very early on in the nascence of these threads, a more sincere Brexiteer popped their head in and tried to settle everyone down by saying

"I just want the EU to give us a good deal".

Needless to say they were slammed immediately with loads of posters pointing out we had a good deal in fact we had the best deal it was a great deal and that nothing the UK could ever hope for out of the EU could possibly match what we had being in the EU.

I may even have recounted an old joke about someone following a sign up some stairs until they got to an exit with a sign saying "There you are, proof some people can never be happy". (Well, I say "some people" but the version of the joke I heard had "women" ....)

Anyway, as an ROI resident, no deal will hit us very hard indeed, but our Gov has been planning for four years, so hopefully that forward planning + EU support will help if it all goes South.

The article I linked to yesterday about Germany not forgetting what Ireland did back in 1991 was heart wrenching ...

At this stage what deal do we think will occur?

I still can't believe there will be no deal.

I think, the UK will agree to a level playing field, subsidies etc are covered by WTO schedules anyway so changing what they do there takes more than just a trade deal with the EU.

The French will cut a deal on fish in the Chanel, but UK fishermen elsewhere will lose access to EU waters. The UK doesn't have the capacity to catch the fish it gains access too and therefore will sell its new quotas back to the French, Boris having gained a his victory.

The UK will agree to agri standards, and lose the chance of a big US deal as the US deals aren't anywhere near viable enough to risk movement of our own argi goods into Europe.

Boris will claim it as a victory.

The Scots will demand another referendum and be refused.

NI will have a border down the Irish Sea.

The areas that voted to leave will be worst hit, and London will be least, causing more influx of people to London for work.

Introducing the NRG or Northern Research Group....

Patrick Maguire @patrickkmaguire
EXC: Blue wall rebellion begins. 41 Tory MPs from Jake Berry’s new Northern Research Group have written to the PM to express concerns that government will break its promise to level-up.

They warn he must “reflect carefully” on his promises to the north and urge more investment

30 years time...

Maybe after 30 years of agitation from the NRG, "The North" will have a Referendum to leave FUKD and join Scotland as an independent country

So Johnson has a dilemma with the North - spend more money there, on people who in large part have voted solidly for Labour. This would almost certainly mean not spending it on the south in small towns and rural areas where people have voted Tory since the year dot, and who might get annoyed at these Johnny come latelies in the north getting the money.

I have distant relatives up in Newcastle who wish that they were part of Scotland, because they are neglected by Westminster.

Not that I think Johnson's Tories had the slightest intention of levelling up anywhere. Levelling down the south is much more likely with further enrichment of their cronies.

I wonder if the NRG could cancel out the ERG ? They won't share many members.

@DGRossetti

I wonder if the NRG could cancel out the ERG ? They won't share many members.

Its an interesting list when you look at which northern tory mps are on it... And which are not.

I noted that Rishi Sunak wasn't on the list, but I don't know many northern Tory MPs.

I would not get my hopes up @DGRosetti . These would be the same Northern Tories who mostly voted against free school meals. How can someone representing for instance Blyth vote not to feed poor children?! They can't even say that, like Rees-Mogg, they have never met FSM children.

I would imagine that there are pockets of severe deprivation in Rees-Mogg's constituency. I live in a wealthy constituency overall, but I know there are parts which suffer deprivation.

You have to admit - they really behave like scum. (Yes I know a lot of posters on MN had a bit of a tantrum about that.)

Sunak's constituency is rich and rural and has been Tory / Unionist since 1886
it does not need levelling up

I might have missed this being posted before, but this is a good longer read by Paul Waugh on the Johnson approach to government (or lack thereof) www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/marcus-rashford-boris-johnson-tory-revolt-johnsonism_uk_5f96d22ac5b6f077523596d3?0k&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMsijebElZTcZMwSsln8APVw9WsT17h2c2_RNmKzDjvWBmiOS3wXEsFO4DH67DqO6sipdwKmxWToj6GPtfEndSFjWvdRiVJnsQd-Mirb5gvkzR5O6DGrq3mnMP7VshY5e3gWDdJRa_f_0ww536UoIKH5ZqD407JvbCpT3giYE0jo

Arborea
Hmmm, quite a nice roasting!

I'd rather the NRA cancelled the ERG