Westministenders: Brevid

[RedToothBrush]

The government have FINALLY started to treat no deal brexit and covid as one entity in terms of fucking the economy.

On the one hand you have one camp who think they can sneak No Deal through as a consequence of Covid. On the other you have people who realise that it might be quite a good idea not to doubly screw your entire economy and to continue to be able to import medical supplies freely.

We now no that No Deal Brexit will involve passports to get into Kent and 7 mile queues of trucks because this has passed the lips of Gove. Y'know one of those who has been denying this for the past 4 years and presenting it as 'scaremongering'.

We are now firmly into the end game where businesses have to make plans based on the government plans and technology. Y'know the ones that aren't complete yet despite it only being 2 months to go.

Johnson has today done an interview about covid restrictions in the NE in which he got all the detail wrong. Its almost as if he forgot the lines he was instructed to recite and have no fundamental understanding of what rules he's putting into place to control the lives of the population.

As we lurch into October, there is speculation of full local lockdowns being brought in to try and deal with the spiralling number of cases which have to be the result, in no small part, of a dire lack of local testing facilities in the North of England. Meanwhile we've got The App finally. The one that doesn't work and the police and many health care staff are being advised not to use cos its so bobbins and will lead to them constantly isolating needlessly. Thats just something the rest of us have to contend with.

The feeling is that Cummings is up for No Deal. Johnson has been brainwashed into it, which lets face it, isn't too hard given how hard of thinking he is. However there is a growing sense that Johnson may now bottle it and declare victory in the jaws of defeat. That might be a premature hope.

We await the answer and the all important question of whether Christmas is indeed cancelled - that is for everyone who hasn't already cancelled it due to financial hardship...

Who knows what Boris won't try? It's clear that he has no respect for law, and that the incompetents in his Cabinet might just as well be the proverbial pigs with blue rosettes on, for all the use they are.

I noticed this snippet from the BBC article about car parts:
The original Brexit deal negotiated by former PM Theresa May contained a route to minimise checks on what are known as "rules of origin".

So once again, Johnson's "oven ready" deal turned out to be worse that May's! Who would have thought. The answer is simple - just file off the "Made in Japan" marks and restamp them "Made in England".

Patel asked civil service to consider using ascension Island for migrant processing - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54349796

Another geographically challenged minister, wonder how many of them think the US, India and Australia are just a few miles further away than France - might explain the bull about global trade replacing eu trade.

@FrankieStein402

Patel asked civil service to consider using ascension Island for migrant processing - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54349796

Another geographically challenged minister, wonder how many of them think the US, India and Australia are just a few miles further away than France - might explain the bull about global trade replacing eu trade.

We could give the czmp an appropriate name like Port Arthur.

Im amazed that empty cruise ships haven't been suggested as processing centres. They could be anchored off the coast near Portsmouth.

Be careful Red you know DC's algorithms run through this thread looking for ideas to implement. Next thing we know we'll hear how the Ascension Island prison is too expensive to build but they have a great new idea on how to use cruise ships....

Btw why do folks think Boris will prorogue parliment again when he's got his whacking great majority?

Ascension Islands, Australia... using a dictionary instead of an atlas.

Yes, JRM might approve of returning to the glory days of the Napoleonic wars and prison hulks for foreigners POWs moored offshore

@DrBlackbird

Be careful Red you know DC's algorithms run through this thread looking for ideas to implement. Next thing we know we'll hear how the Ascension Island prison is too expensive to build but they have a great new idea on how to use cruise ships....

Btw why do folks think Boris will prorogue parliment again when he's got his whacking great majority?

.... That was my recent post:

If the HoL vote down the IMB (Internal Market Bill), then either BJ gives up on the bill, or he prorogues Parliament

Due to the rules on timing for this, the latter choice would apparently mean the bill would only receive Royal assent in Q4 2021, which is rather too late to matter

I see that France, Poland and Denmark have all imposed 10 pm closing times for bars and restaurants in various cities and regions.

DrBlackbird, i dont think i need to worry. Most of the Cabinet live in Victorian Britain and are familiar enough with the history of the Empire. I doubt i need to remind them of anything.

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@Clavinova

I see that France, Poland and Denmark have all imposed 10 pm closing times for bars and restaurants in various cities and regions.

... I know some drinkers and nearly all pubs etc hate it, but imo it is a sensible, least bad restriction

I still think the bundle of measures should be debated and voted on in Parliament, but this is one I'd support

I suspect curfews elsewhere might work better because they don't tend to have late night supermarket opening hours in the same way as the uk for starters, nor is there quite the same level of drinking culture as in the UK.

@Clavinova

I see that France, Poland and Denmark have all imposed 10 pm closing times for bars and restaurants in various cities and regions.

Doesn't seem to have worked in the UK, people are buying from supermarkets and then going back for house parties.

Laws and restrictions will not work without public consent and trust in the Govt, this is sadly lacking in the UK.

Johnson has become a laughing stock now, his Matt Lucas moment yesterday when trying to explain the rule of 6 shows how unsuitable he is as PM.

Patel asked civil service to consider using ascension Island for migrant processing.

The correct version of this story is unclear - Priti Patel asked civil servants to look at options for using Ascension Island for migrant processing, or civil servant servants presented her with this option as one of many to consider?

"Home Secretary Priti Patel asked officials to look at asylum policies which had been successful in other countries, the BBC has been told."

"A Home Office source said ministers were looking at "every option that can stop small boat crossings and fix the asylum system"."

So the EU are considering options as well?

July 2020 -
"EU trying to replicate Australia's offshore detention centers, refugee activist warns."

www.infomigrants.net/en/post/25711/eu-trying-to-replicate-australia-s-offshore-detention-centers-refugee-activist-warns

28 Jun 2018 -
"Officials of northern African countries, rights groups, and the UNHCR chief have condemned European proposals to set up offshore processing centres to screen refugees, a subject expected to take centre stage as the EU begins a two-day summit in Brussels"

"The 28-member bloc, which is deeply divided over how to stem the refugee flow, will discuss what it terms “disembarkation platforms” in countries such as Niger, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco and Egypt."

www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/28/european-proposals-to-outsource-asylum-centres-condemned/

2017 "EU Cannot Copy Australia's Offshore Asylum Model"

"Casting about for ways to manage refugee flows, some European policymakers speak of emulating Australia’s use of offshore processing centres in neighbouring countries."

www.hrw.org/news/2017/01/19/eu-cannot-copy-australias-offshore-asylum-model

I'm amazed that empty cruise ships haven't been suggested as processing centres.

Brussels 2 September;
"EU money can be used to offshore migrants on boats."

"EU purse strings are open for member states to hold migrants on boats offshore - under certain legal conditions."

"The statement by the Brussels-executive on Tuesday (1 September) follows Maltese media reports that the government in Valletta intends to spend over €1m a month to detain migrants and refugees on a large Cypriot-flagged passenger ship."

euobserver.com/migration/149294

civil servants

@TheElementsOfMedical

Saving me a job

@RedToothBrush

I suspect curfews elsewhere might work better because they don't tend to have late night supermarket opening hours in the same way as the uk for starters, nor is there quite the same level of drinking culture as in the UK.

.... I agree that a curfew must be accompanied by a ban on buying alcohol anywhere

Yes, they can drink what they already have at home, but that is not a problem, as they are much more likely to stay home

DGR And I hope you are learning a lot from my mixed bag of facts

The original Brexit deal negotiated by former PM Theresa May contained a route to minimise checks on what are known as "rules of origin".

What was it?

Well well, colour me surprised
Trump refused to condemn racist misogynist thugs
so its possible that the US election result will not be finalised by the date of the end of Brexit transition

Only somebody as arrogantly stupid as Cummings would not advise his puppet boss to sign whatever deal the EU offer to make sure the UK is protected from the coming storm

TheElementsOfMedical

"wibble wibble"

The trickle is becoming a cascade. We're gonna need a bigger finger.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/29/uk-intelligence-data-would-be-deleted-in-event-of-no-deal-brexit

British intelligence about terrorists and other serious criminals would have to be deleted from EU systems if the Brexit trade negotiations were to collapse, a former EU security commissioner has warned.

Sir Julian King, who was the UK’s last commissioner in Brussels until last year, said that in security terms “the difference between a deal and no deal is significant” and the negative impact would be felt immediately.

“UK [intelligence] data that was held in EU systems could – indeed would – be deleted, if there was no data adequacy arrangement covering how you share data,” said the former British diplomat in a briefing organised by the Royal United Services Institute.

The UK would instantly become disconnected from a range of databases and systems such as the European Criminal Records Information System (ECRIS), which shares data about prior convictions across all EU countries, he added.

(contd)

What was it?
Try a google search and then cut n' paste your answer.

I am enjoying TheElements interesting facts. It reminds me of the kiddy programme the Octonauts, which also relays facts.