Westministenders: Brevid

[RedToothBrush]

The government have FINALLY started to treat no deal brexit and covid as one entity in terms of fucking the economy.

On the one hand you have one camp who think they can sneak No Deal through as a consequence of Covid. On the other you have people who realise that it might be quite a good idea not to doubly screw your entire economy and to continue to be able to import medical supplies freely.

We now no that No Deal Brexit will involve passports to get into Kent and 7 mile queues of trucks because this has passed the lips of Gove. Y'know one of those who has been denying this for the past 4 years and presenting it as 'scaremongering'.

We are now firmly into the end game where businesses have to make plans based on the government plans and technology. Y'know the ones that aren't complete yet despite it only being 2 months to go.

Johnson has today done an interview about covid restrictions in the NE in which he got all the detail wrong. Its almost as if he forgot the lines he was instructed to recite and have no fundamental understanding of what rules he's putting into place to control the lives of the population.

As we lurch into October, there is speculation of full local lockdowns being brought in to try and deal with the spiralling number of cases which have to be the result, in no small part, of a dire lack of local testing facilities in the North of England. Meanwhile we've got The App finally. The one that doesn't work and the police and many health care staff are being advised not to use cos its so bobbins and will lead to them constantly isolating needlessly. Thats just something the rest of us have to contend with.

The feeling is that Cummings is up for No Deal. Johnson has been brainwashed into it, which lets face it, isn't too hard given how hard of thinking he is. However there is a growing sense that Johnson may now bottle it and declare victory in the jaws of defeat. That might be a premature hope.

We await the answer and the all important question of whether Christmas is indeed cancelled - that is for everyone who hasn't already cancelled it due to financial hardship...

OchonAgusOchonO
Others on this thread seem to be equally confused

Easily confused or equally confused? I was informed that some posters have a short attention span and don't read my posts fully.

I would agree that with the current Government that they would be extremely unlikely to facilitate Irish trade, so yes, that was naive on the Irish Government's behalf. If that was the case - we don't know because information is filtered through a rabid right wing press. However we do know that some ships which had been destined for a UK route will now serve Irish ports instead.

I recall Clav picking apart a piece I posted, noting it's origins.

It's a shame that they didn't then have the courage of their convictions to post the source of the shite they post.

Reverse Googling

"Ireland faces devastating blow after its failure on ferry services to Europe."

gave a top hit of:

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/ireland-faces-devastating-blow-due-to-our-failure-to-develop-ferry-services-to-europe-1.4363802

Which is a week old ... and needs an update:

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/rosslare-port-in-talks-for-new-daily-direct-ferry-service-to-continental-europe-1.4372750

OchonAgusOchonO
I'd quite happily rant on about the handling of the leaving cert, the lack of enforcement of covid restrictions etc in Ireland except it's not relevant to brexit or the piss-poor handling of governance by the UK government, which is having an ongoing impact on brexit.

As much as I enjoy looking at cute kittens and admiring delicious looking bread I don't suppose they have much relevance either - you can keep the recent 'kinky' topics to yourselves.

and continuing a theme about the UK governments complicated relationship with reality ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-54418537

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-05/maduro-government-wins-u-k-court-appeal-over-venezuelan-gold

Venezuela gold: Maduro government wins in UK appeals court

...
The judges, led by Stephen Males, found that the UK government’s statements on Guaido may not have reflected the reality on the ground.
...

@Clavinova - Your same logic can be applied to my point though; BigChoc's link revealed that the same Irish government who messed up the Leaving Cert with an algorithm also failed to anticipate queues at Dover.

Not quite. Nobody in Ireland doubted there would be queues at Dover and significant work has been done in order to increase capacity for direct sailings to the continent from Ireland. However, the infrastructure takes time to build and so multiple solutions need to be examined. One potential solution is to allow Irish lorries go through a different process that British lorries as they would not be stopping/loading in a non-EU country. This will certainly be the case at the French end but the UK's lack of preparation for brexit will cause problems on the UK side. Unfortunately, until the infrastructure is sufficiently expanded at ports in Ireland, some of our haulage companies will have to continue to use the landbridge.

@Clavinova - As much as I enjoy looking at cute kittens and admiring delicious looking bread I don't suppose they have much relevance either - you can keep the recent 'kinky' topics to yourselves.

Does that mean you're admitting your post on the leaving cert is irrelevant as one of the "kinky" (bizarre choice of word) topics I suggested as irrelevant was the leaving cert issue?

Unfortunately, until the infrastructure is sufficiently expanded at ports in Ireland, some of our haulage companies will have to continue to use the landbridge.

The UK - along with the allies - operated the Berlin Airlift for over 2 years, to ensure Stalin didn't win.

I suspect a similar spirit will be put behind ensuring the RoI isn't held hostage to the whims of whoever is running the UK this week.

@Clavinova - Easily confused or equally confused? I was informed that some posters have a short attention span and don't read my posts fully.

Maybe if you explained what you see as the relevance of your point posters might pay a bit more attention.

Maybe people would read them if they actually said something instead of being long cut n'pastes about how you don't like the EU, but that the Tories are Perfect.

However, posting points that are not connected or related in any way simply results in a series of statements rather than a discussion or a debate.

Think of it as squirts of squid ink, intended to obscure the waters of discussion with a cloud of obfuscation.

DGRossetti
I recall Clav picking apart a piece I posted, noting it's origins.
It's a shame that they didn't then have the courage of their convictions to post the source of the shite they post.

Your recall memory isn't very good - I linked to the same article in the Irish Times (dated 25 September) as you have and referred to the Irish Times twice in my post;

Clavinova Fri 02-Oct-20 20:57:42

Shortened version -

"Link on the same page" (referring to BigChoc's link to Loadstar);
"Ireland faces devastating blow after its failure on ferry services to Europe."

Extract I quoted from the Loadstar link;
"However, this article in the Irish Times [Loadstar provided a link to the Irish Times] argues that the failure to prepare for post-Brexit supply chain congestion also lies with the Irish, especially given the absence of sufficient Ireland-continental Europe shipping capacity." ...

Continuation of my post - Irish Times as a sub-title to distinguish from the Loadstar article;

"Irish Times" -
"Since the Brexit vote over four years ago"...

My links;
theloadstar.com/ireland-faces-devastating-blow-after-its-failure-on-ferry-services-to-europe/
www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/ireland-faces-devastating-blow-due-to-our-failure-to-develop-ferry-services-to-europe-1.4363802

@TheElementsOfMedical

However, posting points that are not connected or related in any way simply results in a series of statements rather than a discussion or a debate.

Think of it as squirts of squid ink, intended to obscure the waters of discussion with a cloud of obfuscation.

Signal to Noise ratio.

I never understood the almost sexual fetish successive Home Secretaries have had to increase the noise, rather than refine the signal when it comes to criminal intelligence. It's clearly nothing to do with the effectiveness of policing, so must be some sort of personal "thing" (shudders).

While the story about a High Court judge who had to wear "special" trousers when sentencing someone to be hanged might be apocryphal, I can easily believe that Priti Patel has a new outfit just waiting for the day.

Speaking of whom, did anyone catch her "blame the lawyers" speech on Sunday. Apparently it should be illegal to defend criminals in English courts. Which means the Tories must be on the verge of abolishing them ....

OchonAgusOchonO
Does that mean you're admitting your post on the leaving cert is irrelevant as one of the "kinky" (bizarre choice of word) topics I suggested as irrelevant was the leaving cert issue?

No - I was (lightheartedly) referring to recent posts about the male anatomy.

A day late, a dollar short ...

Signal to Noise ratio.

Precisely!

Strangely, the same individual whose entire M.O. is about hugely increasing the noise, is now getting all delicate about us enjoying making a bit of noise ourselves. I don't now why, after all, I for one am very careful to end every squirt of squid ink with the obligatory reminder that the reader is to conclude ToryBrexitannianNationalPlague is going marvellously.

I don't now why, after all, I for one am very careful to end every squirt of squid ink with the obligatory reminder that the reader is to conclude ToryBrexitannianNationalPlague is going marvellously.

Because Brexiteers never read past the headline. Why do you think we are in this mess ?

@Clavinova - No - I was (lightheartedly) referring to recent posts about the male anatomy.

So that means you think your post on the leaving cert was relevant? It's such a shame you won't share its relevance with us.

OchonAgusOchonO
significant work has been done in order to increase capacity for direct sailings to the continent from Ireland.

Significant work?
From DGRossetti's second link;

"Mr Carr [general manager of Rosslare Europe] said he hoped the new service would be in place by the time the transition period ends" ...
"Ciarán O’Driscoll, a policy and Brexit research officer at European Movement Ireland who has studied transit routes, said he expected shipping lines to wait until the weeks and months after Brexit comes into effect before adding capacity on existing direct routes in a no-deal scenario."
“The only situation where you would see an increase in the frequency of sailings from Ireland to the likes of France, Belgium or the Netherlands is if the landbridge becomes untenable during those initial few months after a no-deal,” he said."

@TheElementsOfMedical

Signal to Noise ratio.

Precisely!

Strangely, the same individual whose entire M.O. is about hugely increasing the noise, is now getting all delicate about us enjoying making a bit of noise ourselves. I don't now why, after all, I for one am very careful to end every squirt of squid ink with the obligatory reminder that the reader is to conclude ToryBrexitannianNationalPlague is going marvellously.

And very interesting squid ink it is too. I have learned an awful lot here. I think I could prepare a full table quiz based on your ink. Might have to remove the children from the room for the penis round though.

OchonAgusOchonO

For someone who thinks my post on the Irish leaving cert (Friday evening) was irrelevant you do seem to be making a meal of it.

@Clavinova

OchonAgusOchonO significant work has been done in order to increase capacity for direct sailings to the continent from Ireland.

Significant work?
From DGRossetti's second link;

"Mr Carr [general manager of Rosslare Europe] said he hoped the new service would be in place by the time the transition period ends" ...
"Ciarán O’Driscoll, a policy and Brexit research officer at European Movement Ireland who has studied transit routes, said he expected shipping lines to wait until the weeks and months after Brexit comes into effect before adding capacity on existing direct routes in a no-deal scenario."
“The only situation where you would see an increase in the frequency of sailings from Ireland to the likes of France, Belgium or the Netherlands is if the landbridge becomes untenable during those initial few months after a no-deal,” he said."

Yes @Clavinova, significant work.

The reason transit companies use the land bridge is because it is the most efficient way to move goods to mainland europe. Why, if it feasible to use the land bridge, would they change? One would hope the UK government would have plans to ensure chaos does not ensue. However, if, as would appear to be the case, they are relying on magic thinking and a bit of "do they not know who we are", there are contingency plans that can then be put in place. Unfortunately, there may be a short period of disruption while these plans are being activated.

@Clavinova

OchonAgusOchonO

For someone who thinks my post on the Irish leaving cert (Friday evening) was irrelevant you do seem to be making a meal of it.

I'm always open to learning new things. You claim it's relevant so I would love to see your logic.

Ireland bought the big ferries a couple of years ago ready to have the capacity to bypass the UK when needed.
The fact that they have not bothered to use them this year (because COVID emptied the ferries of cars)
does not mean they will not come into use in December ready for January.

The Irish and French clearance systems are in much better shape than the British.
and as LecLerc reminded me by email,
Cherbourg has capacity to ramp up its crossings because they still have the derelict submarine pens to play with
(Dover already built on theirs)

Come January, the country that thinks Excel is cutting edge will be shown up to the world

The reason transit companies use the land bridge is because it is the most efficient way to move goods to mainland Europe.

I'd be curious as to the differential in costs between using the landbridge, and ferries.

I know when you start looking at international shipping, the costs scale down so quickly as to be almost negligible for shifting anything in bulk.

A quick google suggests $2000 per container from Hong Kong to Southampton. And you can get a fuck of a lot in a container (If it was iPhones, it would make the shipping cost cents per unit.

I'm guessing that once the landbridge can be bypassed, the running costs and subsumed startup costs will make it very unlikely it will be able to win back the lost traffic. All of which was spending drivers money in the UK.