Westministenders: Brevid

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The government have FINALLY started to treat no deal brexit and covid as one entity in terms of fucking the economy.

On the one hand you have one camp who think they can sneak No Deal through as a consequence of Covid. On the other you have people who realise that it might be quite a good idea not to doubly screw your entire economy and to continue to be able to import medical supplies freely.

We now no that No Deal Brexit will involve passports to get into Kent and 7 mile queues of trucks because this has passed the lips of Gove. Y'know one of those who has been denying this for the past 4 years and presenting it as 'scaremongering'.

We are now firmly into the end game where businesses have to make plans based on the government plans and technology. Y'know the ones that aren't complete yet despite it only being 2 months to go.

Johnson has today done an interview about covid restrictions in the NE in which he got all the detail wrong. Its almost as if he forgot the lines he was instructed to recite and have no fundamental understanding of what rules he's putting into place to control the lives of the population.

As we lurch into October, there is speculation of full local lockdowns being brought in to try and deal with the spiralling number of cases which have to be the result, in no small part, of a dire lack of local testing facilities in the North of England. Meanwhile we've got The App finally. The one that doesn't work and the police and many health care staff are being advised not to use cos its so bobbins and will lead to them constantly isolating needlessly. Thats just something the rest of us have to contend with.

The feeling is that Cummings is up for No Deal. Johnson has been brainwashed into it, which lets face it, isn't too hard given how hard of thinking he is. However there is a growing sense that Johnson may now bottle it and declare victory in the jaws of defeat. That might be a premature hope.

We await the answer and the all important question of whether Christmas is indeed cancelled - that is for everyone who hasn't already cancelled it due to financial hardship...

Consumers don't like much of the fish in our waters.

Some of that could be overcome by good marketing. How many people turn their noses up at squid or octopus but happily go to Spain and eat calamari and pulpo?

@HateIsNotGood

Why do we need Big Trawlers too Fish cats and the desecration of our Fisheries will hardly be solved by allowing EU Boats to Trawl away will it?

So replacing EU trawlers with lots of UK boats helps with what exactly?

Fish move about, without international agreement, fish stocks are doomed, they are not "our" fisheries at all, its all seasonal.

@Peregrina

Consumers don't like much of the fish in our waters.

Some of that could be overcome by good marketing. How many people turn their noses up at squid or octopus but happily go to Spain and eat calamari and pulpo?

True but having watched Jamie O trying to get people to eat Whiting or Pollack instead of Haddock or Cod (and failing) i'm not confident.

I think the people who eat Calamari in Spain are not the problem, its the ones that insist on Cod n Chips in the Costas that are.

Some of that could be overcome by good marketing
What length of campaign, who pays for it? Its not as if we have a good track record in changing eating habits. In the meantime what happens on 1/1/21

Boatyards all ready to make boats to meet the demand
Absolute poppycock - we can make super yachts but the skills and yards to make any kind of trawler disappeared long ago

The Brexiters need to stump up. Let's see them crowdfund a calamari campaign!

I am not sure though, if you think of something like smoking, public behaviour can't be changed. 50 years ago the idea of a smoking ban in public places would have been considered absurd. Smoking carriages on trains were only phased out about 20 years ago.

Freshly caught whiting is delicious, as is octopus. We’re missing out if it is all being exported.

@HateIsNotGood - Exactly cats take the money in the 70s - they did - but so because of that mistake the future generations should suffer? The ones that didn't own the Boats, the workers, the others relying on the Industry.

My father sold off a field that was worth shag all in the 70's. It has since been sold for a fortune for development. As the future generation, why am I suffering for his mistake? Do you think the person who sold it on to developers owes me the proceeds? I suspect he might disagree.

@boatyardblues

Freshly caught whiting is delicious, as is octopus. We’re missing out if it is all being exported.

I eat Ling, Whiting & Pollock all fantastic fish but if i mentioned any of these down at my local' i'd be greeted with disgust.

We export these fish or they go to processing i.e fertilizer/animal feed.

Bloody hell, we can't even eat most of the joints of meat from a Bullock! many of the tasty bits get thrown, not so in France etc, which is why the NFU is bricking a no deal.

"My father sold off a field that was worth shag all in the 70's. It has since been sold for a fortune for development. As the future generation, why am I suffering for his mistake? Do you think the person who sold it on to developers owes me the proceeds? I suspect he might disagree."

Exactly
and you sticking the Union Jack / Irish Tricolour somewhere still doesn't give you rights to the proceeds

And given the Irish were required to buy their land (stolen, not sold) back from the British, it's a bit rich expecting others who had purchased fishing rights to just hand them back with no compensation.

I think No Deal would be best
so both sides know the effects and can restart negotiations on that basis

Currently there is a lot of guessing / fantasy / bluster, which makes it very difficult to have sensible negotiations
and also makes hardcore Brexiter MPs reject any deal as a sellout

Some Tory backbenchers have said BJ should just agree a deal now to avoid the double Whammy of Covid 2nd wave and No deal,
and then renege again next Spring, when Covid should have died down again

A 2nd reneging would poison any possibility of a trade deal for many years, except maybe one with humiliating penalty clauses for reneging.

There could be Fish Wars, with the Royal Navy arresting arresting EU trawlers, but the Uk managed to lose all 3 Cod Wars with Iceland, so better not go there.

I am tempted to agree that there should be No Deal, but I would worry about the damage it would do. A bit like I wanted to see Cameron get a kick in the teeth, but decided I shouldn't vote for something negative. Cameron got his kick in the teeth anyway - even though he makes shit loads of money, his reputation as a PM was shot.

I would now like to see Johnson destroy the Tory party, do a runner somewhere and take Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, and a good few others with him, and let the grown ups get on with rebuilding the country.

peregrina I don't want No Deal just to teach BJ & co a lesson:

I'm now thinking No Deal would cause less damage over the next year,
because realistic negotiations - on both sides - would restart within 3 months,
probably accompanied by some temporary arrangement / rescue measures

imo less damage than BJ reneging on a 2nd deal, which would mean no negotiations for a long time
and the EU applying punitive tariffs on the UK - which would be allowed under WTO rules for reneging on a trade deal.

peers at crystal ball

My guess is that whatever deal Johnson gets will be pulled apart in the commons, simply because Brexit means all things to all people. I have never seen the definition really nailed down by senior Brexiteers, beyond "makes us money".

We could still end up with No-Deal by default, even if Johnson actually agrees something. Unless he bypasses Parliamentary scrutiny?

Nah. I am definitely too pessimistic.

Would No Deal teach BJ & Co a lesson? I doubt it - they are too far gone.

More insanity and raving narcissism
Trump drives out to wave to his fan club and then back into hospital

Trump driveby from hospital

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pays-surprise-visit-to-supporters-outside-hospital-12090431

Dr James Phillips, chief of disaster medicine at George Washington University and an attending physician at Walter Reed Medical Center,
described the drive-by as "insanity"

He wrote on Twitter:

"That presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack.
The risk of COVID-19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures.

The irresponsibility is astounding.
My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play.

"Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary presidential "drive-by" just now has to be quarantined for 14 days.
They might get sick. They may die.
For political theater.
Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity."

And this is the guy with access to the big red button.

Surely this raises questions over his capacity to be president? There is no way the doctors sanctioned this.

It’s Barnard Castle on steroids and a potential catastrophe for public health in the US if people take his lead and stop isolating.

Ha ha so now I want No Deal and we’ve been told we’re surrounded by the sea which is a source of fresh fish.
Goodness me, what a dressing down. I love my early morning catch ups.

More than 200,000 people have already lost their lives for the benefit of Trump.

Surely in light of that performance Section 4 of the 25th Amendment can be invoked.

@Clavinova
You asked me how much I knew and I replied; "I do know a little about the Irish Leaving Cert." If I knew 'a lot' I would have said so.

Regardless of knowing you knew very little about the process, you introduced the subject as if your comment had a factual basis, or relevance.
(And there are differences in meaning and implication between 'I do know a little', 'I know a little', and 'I only know a little'.)

...perhaps they should try something more personal next year - your link (advice to students) reveals the following;
"Some 30% of third level students drop out or change course..."

Looks as if you are still chipping in with unasked for advice on a subject about which you know virtually nothing...

www.irishtimes.com/news/education/more-than-6-000-students-drop-out-of-college-in-first-year-1.3062362
A little nuance for you to ponder.

Well, I am very excited to finally see a Leaver propose one of those special new laws that Brexitannia will be able to have!

So if I understand the proposal correctly:

We sold our flat in London about a decade ago and moved elsewhere, but in Brave New Brexitannia we will be able to demand the flat is returned to us because "why should our DC not enjoy the benefits of a London flat, instead of that interloper who bought our flat, how very dare he"

...

My dad is very on the fence with Brexit. Reads a bit too much daily mail. (He's getting a Private Eye sub for his birthday, I'm sick of hearing what the Mail thinks). He was absolutely gobsmacked that we'd sold out quotas. Insisted I must have it wrong. After all, selling them to make a quick buck is a damned foolish thing to do when your local economy needs the industry. Indeed, Dad, indeed.