Westministenders: Brevid

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The government have FINALLY started to treat no deal brexit and covid as one entity in terms of fucking the economy.

On the one hand you have one camp who think they can sneak No Deal through as a consequence of Covid. On the other you have people who realise that it might be quite a good idea not to doubly screw your entire economy and to continue to be able to import medical supplies freely.

We now no that No Deal Brexit will involve passports to get into Kent and 7 mile queues of trucks because this has passed the lips of Gove. Y'know one of those who has been denying this for the past 4 years and presenting it as 'scaremongering'.

We are now firmly into the end game where businesses have to make plans based on the government plans and technology. Y'know the ones that aren't complete yet despite it only being 2 months to go.

Johnson has today done an interview about covid restrictions in the NE in which he got all the detail wrong. Its almost as if he forgot the lines he was instructed to recite and have no fundamental understanding of what rules he's putting into place to control the lives of the population.

As we lurch into October, there is speculation of full local lockdowns being brought in to try and deal with the spiralling number of cases which have to be the result, in no small part, of a dire lack of local testing facilities in the North of England. Meanwhile we've got The App finally. The one that doesn't work and the police and many health care staff are being advised not to use cos its so bobbins and will lead to them constantly isolating needlessly. Thats just something the rest of us have to contend with.

The feeling is that Cummings is up for No Deal. Johnson has been brainwashed into it, which lets face it, isn't too hard given how hard of thinking he is. However there is a growing sense that Johnson may now bottle it and declare victory in the jaws of defeat. That might be a premature hope.

We await the answer and the all important question of whether Christmas is indeed cancelled - that is for everyone who hasn't already cancelled it due to financial hardship...

Quick reminder of the things that need to be agreed as well as fisheries
www.bbc.co.uk/news/51357589

I wouldn’t read the Guardian if you paid me to. Try harder.

Transition for fishing increased to 5 -7 years? Where is Johnson's spine? They should be saying, no access to UK waters come 1st January. What next? They will be asking to pay to get limited access to Euratom, or xxxx, xxxx, xxxx, you name it - all the things the Brexiters have said that we don't need.

Thanks LQ I'm aware there's other things too - but Fisheries are a big deal and it's helpful to get a shift on a sticking point. Irrespective of Brexit in terms of maintaining sustainability, fisheries sre best left to the Coastal Nations - such as Norway - who have just made an agreement with the UK on Fisheries,

Go find your own link born if the GRnd doesn't suit you, I don't need to try harder - not at the Brexit Negs as I have as little influence as you.

Do you actual prefer No Deal? Sounds like it.

but Fisheries are a big deal
such a tiny tiny part of the UK economy
screwing over so much else

jingoistic nonsense

Peregrina as you well know a lot of rights and quotas were sold by UK Fishermen on the Open Market some 30-40 odd years ago. So the very least the UK can do is allow a period of readjustment, transition and compensation to the EU Fisherman who have been used to trawling the UK Fisheries.

Why would anyone expect EU Fisherpeople to suddenly stop Fishing UK Waters with No Compensation come 1st Jan?

No one does - so best a Deal is reached don't you think?

Hatels If EU fishermen were sold the quotas/rights and have used them for decades, why do they have to agree to give them back or compensation? Its their childrens future after all.

Seems crazy to expect them too.

Ah the old GDP is everything argument - never mind the few in deprived coastal fishing ports because they're just a minority?

No appreciation of cultural differences at all in your statement Pere - never mind any appreciation of sustainble fishing. Not sure why you find this 'jingoistic' just because it's not part of your Culture.

You clearly misjudged my tone. The UK chose to sell those boats and quotas, don't forget. No one forced them to do so. So the very least they can do is cut the whining about how badly done to they have been.

Why should they want EU boats (which they sold out to), stop fishing in UK waters? Because for more than four years now the Brexiters have been shouting and screaming and stamping their feet in a paddy about how superior we are and don't need the EU, so it's time they put their money where their mouths are.

I can't see where I said anything which was jingoistic. I am sick to the back teeth of the Brexiters whining and whining and whining for special treatment. We hold all the cards, remember, the easiest deals in history, so it's time for them to deliver.

I can't see why the UK couldn't offer to buy back all those boats and quotas they sold, but I strongly suspect that there wouldn't be all that many UK takers.

What I was actually commenting on was it was a climb down by Johnson. Except was it? No doubt he plans to renege on any agreement he makes.

Ah the old GDP is everything argument - never mind the few in deprived coastal fishing ports because they're just a minority?

If the status quo is maintained they're still deprived fishing ports who sold their quotas. (or rather the big corps sold the quotas from under them)
If they suddenly get more quota on 1/1/21 they don't have the boats to fish them so they'll just sell the quota again (or rather the big corps will)

So tell me again why fishing is so important?

The French have The Channel and part of the Med and their own bit of Atlantic, the Spanish have those too except for the Channel - their children can fish in their own waters with boats bought from their Brexit compensation - although The Med is unsustainably overfished.

So the UK children and others living in UK Fishing Ports can now fish UK Waters - although so much more dangerous than fishing The Med - who would want their dc to do it?

That's why the original UK Fishermen sold their quotas - for a better life for their dc so they didn't face death every day they went to work. It's a lot safer now.

So the UK children and others living in UK Fishing Ports can now fish UK Waters
BUT
British people do not want to eat what is caught in UK waters

That's why the original UK Fishermen sold their quotas - for a better life for their dc so they didn't face death every day they went to work. It's a lot safer now

Bollox! sold for money... i live in cornwall, my GP's come from Newlyn & Salcombe, fish in the 70s didn't make much money, so they sold out.

Boatyards all ready to make boats to meet the demand. Fishing is important to the UK because we are surrounded by Sea and Ocean and it's a good source of fresh Food.

Fishing is also important because it's part of how we affect our Eco-System just like most things, so best managed sustainably by those who live mostly with it.

You really can be a very negative bunch here you know.

Ask again, why do you expect EU fishermen to sell off their legally bought quota? wrecking their communities?

A selective take on fishing there. What about the Dutch and the Danes who have fished in the north sea basin for Centuries?

I am quite sure if the UK Government offered to buy out the French and Spaniards, they would probably be as happy as the UK fishermen were to take the money and have an easier life. Let's see a queue of people wanting to fish in the UK; I can't see it happening.

The UK used to do much of their trawling in Iceland, until the Cod Wars put paid to that.

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Fishing is also important because it's part of how we affect our Eco-System just like most things, so best managed sustainably by those who live mostly with it.
Oh yeah, the UK did great at that on the Grand Banks

Remind me what % of GDP fishing is? Wasn't it wonderful though, that we had an MEP in Nigel Farage batting for the industry? He worked so hard he could only find time to attend one meeting out of 42 he could have attended.

I am quite sure there is an argument about sustainability, but I don't think you are making it HateIs. I think you are spouting more Brexiter bollox.

Exactly cats take the money in the 70s - they did - but so because of that mistake the future generations should suffer? The ones that didn't own the Boats, the workers, the others relying on the Industry.

What did your Boat Owning Family use their proceeds for? Property maybe? Coz there's fuck all else for the workers except for cleaning holiday homes, care work and shops.

As long as you're alright eh and bollox to everyone else

Fishing is also important because it's part of how we affect our Eco-System just like most things, so best managed sustainably by those who live mostly with it

Locals are the ones that fish to extinction.

People in the UK do not want to take up fishing, they don't how nor the means to learn.
Consumers don't like much of the fish in our waters.

Finally, fish stocks are falling, sea beds can't take being trawlled. its just not sustainable. Farmed fish is the future.

A digression, but is there any fishing at all on the Grand Banks now, or were the stocks totally destroyed through overfishing.

The biggest industry in Grimsby is wind farms now

Why do we need Big Trawlers too Fish cats and the desecration of our Fisheries will hardly be solved by allowing EU Boats to Trawl away will it?