Westminstenders: Run Forrest Run

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I struggle to understand why Clav thinks they are on to a winner defending Abbott when even his own party kicked him out in record time for being the most unpopular, gaffe prone PM in living memory (Holt was the only PM to serve for less time but his exit was rather more final, he drowned). I assume it is down to Clav’s habitual ignorance of what goes on in the rest of the world.... His record of “poor opinion polling, policy U-turns and gaffes and mean-spirited politics” (behind Economist paywall) might recommend him to Boris Johnson in terms of his style of governance but they certainly did not go down well with his former colleagues. Setting aside his reactionary values he was a politician who was good at attack dog politics but did not do policy. Take the China trade deal, talks were initiated by the Labour Party and the actual trade negotiator has belittled Abbott’s skills (in the Daily Torygraph no less, another paywall). Obviously it is the role of the politician to champion these deals over the line rather than negotiate the nitty gritty but it was the Trade Minister Andrew Robb who took on that role and travelled to Beijing at the eleventh hour to seal the deal.

All Abbott has in his favour is that the Brexiteers have fed the cult with social media content carrying his views on Brexit. He is just another false Brexit God. More hubris for the Aussies to enjoy....

List of customs training providers - updated last week;

www.gov.uk/guidance/list-of-customs-training-providers

I struggle to understand why Clav thinks they are on to a winner defending Abbott

If MN had an "ignore poster" feature that simply hid posts in a thread then putting certain posters on that list would not detract from the quality of discussion. In fact removing some words from the facts/word count might see an upwards spike.

(Many forums I use do have an ignore feature ... )

[quote Clavinova]List of customs training providers - updated last week;

www.gov.uk/guidance/list-of-customs-training-providers[/quote]
If we had a dog, I'd like a husky.

The China deal was also as one of the three trade deals that supposedly rank as his accomplishments along with Japan and South Korea a manifestation of cross party policy to pivot Australia towards trade with its Pacific neighbours. It was criticised because it included the right for China to use Chinese workers in the infrastructure projects China proposed in Australia........

So because a woman defends Abbott, he must be OK? Never heard of internalised misogyny?

@pointythings

So because a woman defends Abbott, he must be OK? Never heard of internalised misogyny?

I wonder if a woman defended him saying he has some black friends, would the universe reboot ?

Emmanuel Macron wishing to reduce red tape in French labour laws is not akin in any way whatever to the current UK gvmt's declared stance on red tape.
The UK has zero hours contracts, FFS.
The two countries are poles apart.

If the EU is actively seeking to find ways to reduce red tape in order to help businesses and citizens, does that not rather beg the question: why Leave?

@Emilyontmoor

The China deal was also as one of the three trade deals that supposedly rank as his accomplishments along with Japan and South Korea a manifestation of cross party policy to pivot Australia towards trade with its Pacific neighbours. It was criticised because it included the right for China to use Chinese workers in the infrastructure projects China proposed in Australia........

Any trade deal the UK does with India and Pakistan is going to come with pretty much free movement of people. It'll have be equal to each, given their colonial past (we may have forgotten. I can assure you they haven't).

However, as seems to be an emerging theme with Brexit, that is now yesterdays news. The impact of COVID driving remote working means that there's much less need to physically ship in workers ...

I think I'll brush up my Hindi ....

@AuldAlliance

Emmanuel Macron wishing to reduce red tape in French labour laws is not akin in any way whatever to the current UK gvmt's declared stance on red tape. The UK has zero hours contracts, FFS. The two countries are poles apart.

If the EU is actively seeking to find ways to reduce red tape in order to help businesses and citizens, does that not rather beg the question: why Leave?

The UK is making it a habit to be two steps behind events.

The list of Customs training providers was published in May 2020 for heaven's sake. When I worked for HMRC many years ago, the basic training for a Revenue Executive took two years. Even for the clerical grade below that it was one year.

If that list had been published in May 2018 then we might have been in with a chance of implementing some decent training.

But why does anyone need training for frictionless trade? Two of the three providers I looked at don't specify their fees, the other one charged £249 for a one day course. So for a small firm which will ideally need to train two people that's virtually £500 before they even start, for something which is now free. Perhaps Clavinova could cut and paste something which tells me why spending £500 instead of £0 is a bonus? I can't see it myself.

I struggle to understand why Clav thinks they are on to a winner defending Abbott

He would appear to have the experience, the contacts and the enthusiasm needed for the job;

policyexchange.org.uk/pxevents/speech-by-hon-tony-abbott/
www.oxford-union.org/node/1777

www.narendramodi.in/pm-s-meeting-with-mr-tony-abbott-former-prime-minister-of-australia-547373

www.oxford-union.org/node/1777

I am much more inclined to believe Emilyontmoor's analysis of the Australia/China deal, knowing that she is informed on these matters, rather than Clavinova's desperate cut n' pastes.

It's not even worth debating is it. "The skills and experience". Genuine lol.

There are none so blind as those who will not see, etcetera.

When I worked for HMRC many years ago, the basic training for a Revenue Executive took two years.

I think they mainly need form-fillers. Is this the same 50,000 people?

"Road haulage chiefs have warned private firms will need 50,000 extra customs agents to deal with red tape."

Abbott has basically attacked his own party for being a "health dictorship" over COVID

• and they have much the same strategy as BJ !

BJ would be inviting a rattlesnake in to power, to turn on him and the Tory Party, like he has done in Australia

His urging of families to sacrifice their elderly is chilling - and is not something BJ or any Uk Cabinet minister has suggested, afaik

He has burned his boats in Australia and is trying to land in the Uk
Come on Priti - keep out this dangerous migrant !

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/02/morrison-defends-coalitions-covid-response-after-abbott-attacks-health-dictatorships

Sorry Clav but you’re links rather prove my point, the last resort of a failed politician. Rentagob, available for fridge openings and any dodgy right wing racist nationalist that will still talk to him....

"Expertise, though, is not why the UK government is thinking about hiring the former Australian prime minister as a trade envoy. He is not being lined up as a details man, but because he is an evangelist for free trade and his government signed deals with three of Asia’s biggest economies: China, Japan and South Korea. All these agreements had been worked on for years but Abbott got them over the line" ...
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/03/boris-johnson-tony-abbott-trade-expertise

Perfectly decent politicians - left, right or centre - can have socially conservative views on abortion or equal marriage, because of religion

However, the decent ones don't keep using misogynist insults against those they disagree with
Also their religion causes them to advocate policies that help the poor & vulnerable

Abbott is one of the hard right supposed "Christians" that cherry-pick the nasty misogynist bits of mostly the Old Testament, while ignoring all the "be kind" bits in the New Testament

Margaret Thatcher was arguably an evangelist for free trade as far as that goes. Little thing we now call the single market? Oh, the one we are leaving. Damn.

Why would BJ want to import an Australian Farage, when the British one has caused him enough trouble.

Their ways would soon part - Abbott will do or say something so outrageous he has to be sacked -
and Abbott will turn on him and the Tory party just like he turned on his own party in Australia

However, the decent ones don't keep using misogynist insults against those they disagree

If he keeps using misogynist insults why did you quote something from 1998?