Westminstenders: Run Forrest Run

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Need i say more?

Are you suggesting that failure to conduct proper product safety tests which results in a horrific fire and needless death on the one hand, and boosting investment in certain sectors are one and the same, @Clavinova?

Because one is the failure of government at its most basic level and one is rationalising administration with the aim of causing a rising tide which will lift all boats.

Maybe you just like playing with words and maybe you have forgotten that people died in Grenfell?

mathanxiety
How many of the EU member states still don't recognise same-sex marriages? Quite a few I believe.

Squirrel season again, I see.

I have to say I wasn't really aware of the state aid NI WA thing until that Spizak thread yesterday. Imagine that being the hill you choose to die on, and then you are caught by it anyway.

Imagine a government full of intelligent people interested in good governance. It's an absolute bugger that's the opposite of what we've got.

mathanxiety
Are you suggesting that failure to conduct proper product safety tests which results in a horrific fire and needless death on the one hand, and boosting investment in certain sectors are one and the same

Obviously not.

Peregrina
If Macron is as big a fool as the people in this Government, that makes it OK does it?

All fools together;

May 2020 -
"A high-level expert group, named Fit for Future Platform, which will help the EU executive to simplify existing EU laws and reduce red tape for citizens and businesses, was kicked off by the Commission"

europost.eu/en/a/view/platform-will-help-cutting-red-tape-for-citizens-and-businesses-28782

It's obvious?

What was all that guff about red tape then?

What has same sex marriage got to do with Brexit?

But since Brexiters like to slavishly copy the USA: it was only just over 5 years ago that Federal Laws of the USA struck down bans on same sex marriage, but it's taking some states some time to get round to repealing the legislation against it. www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/states-across-u-s-still-cling-outdated-gay-marriage-bans-n1137936

What has same sex marriage got to do with Brexit?

You may well ask...

NI has only just caught up with its nearest neighbours on that score.

Several women's rights issues still 'in the pipeline' there, as they say.

There is nothing in that EU link which says that they are going to make a bonfire of red tape including health and safety legislation so that a moneyed few can make even more money.

There is absolutely no harm in reviewing legislation to see if it does what is intended.

I recall that NI had to be dragged kicking and screaming to enact the same sex legislation - it was basically forced upon it. Yet in the rest of the UK it was something that Cameron boasted about passing a law about when he stepped down, so it took at least 4 years or more.

What has same sex marriage got to do with Brexit?

Exactly. The newspapers were quoting Tony Abbott's stance on same-sex marriages from 2014 - even Germany didn't recognise them until the end of 2017.

An interesting debate as to whether HS2 will create more jobs, or only balance out the ones destroyed.

I am certainly of the opinion that upgrading the trans-pennine routes would do more for the 'northern powerhouse' than HS2 going to Birmingham will.

HS2 does nothing to help Scotland, with no realistic plans for even future ones to come here - even though it is deemed to be UK "National Infrastructure" so outwith the Barnett Consequentials calculations.

🐿 Squirrel summary: As long as something, somewhere, somewhen can be shown to be less than ideal, therefore ToryBrexitannia is Great 🐿

Then why did you bother to introduce same sex marriage into the debate when it wasn't recognised in the whole of the UK until 2019, two years after Germany?

You have summed it up almost perfectly elements, although I would qualify it by saying that something in the EU is less than perfect Tory Brexitannia is great. If something in the USA /Australia or similar is less than perfect it is ignored.

Modi - a shining beacon when it comes to upholding human rights! Or not.

How odd;

"India and the European Union have vowed to deepen trade ties on Wednesday [July 2020] with the two sides agreeing to set up a high-level ministerial dialogue on trade and investment." ...

"The summit was led by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, European Council President Charles Michel and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen."

www.dw.com/en/eu-india-move-closer-to-free-trade-deal/a-54189895

Chris Grey's blog is good this week

Then why did you bother to introduce same sex marriage into the debate

It was mathanxiety who mentioned homophobia.

🐿🎶All the squirrels... so many squirrels... 🎵🐿

Abbott's misogynism is very open
His Social Darwinism concerns me greatly too - it illustrates his attitude sacrificing the most vulnerable:

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/03/government-pressured-to-backtrack-on-trade-role-for-tony-abbott

Abbott’s attitudes to women, including describing abortion as “the easy way out”
and suggesting men are better-adapted than women to exercise authority,
made international headlines in 2012 when the then-Australian PM, Julia Gillard, used a widely shared speech in parliament to castigate his views.

He has also suggestedd^ the climate crisis is “probably doing good”,
....
Most recently, he railed against Covid “health dictatorships”, saying
the economic cost of lockdowns meant families should be allowed to consider letting elderly relatives with the coronavirus die by letting nature take its course.

PM Julia Gillard's famous misogyny speech demolishing Abbott when he was Leader of the Opposition:

October 2012 -

"Federal Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop has defended decade-old remarks about women made by the Opposition Leader Tony Abbott."

"Prime Minister Julia Gillard this week attacked Mr Abbott over a comment he made in the 1990s, when he posed a question asking whether men are more suited to exercise authority."

"The Government says it shows contempt towards women, but Ms Bishop told the ABC's 7.30 program that she disagrees."

"I don't see that as sexist, he's posed a question as part of a debate back in 1998 about the roles of men and women," she said."

"We have a very respectful and close professional relationship and I've never found him to treat me in any way other than as an equal."

"Ms Gillard also attacked Mr Abbott over a comment he made in 2004, describing abortion as "the easy way out"."

"Ms Bishop said while she disagrees with Mr Abbott's stance on abortion, that does not make him a sexist or misogynist."

""I don't believe Tony Abbott's views on abortion are sexist," she said."

"He has a different view on abortion than I do, but when he was Health Minister at no time did he seek to change the laws in relation to abortion in this country."

www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-11/bishop-defends-abbotts-attitude-towards-women/4308684

Seems Indyref supporters have engaged the brains behind the Leave.EU campaign

Incidentally, how's Goves 50,000 extra people for customs clearance coming along. A back of a fag (then only type these posh boys understand) packet calculation suggests that was over 1,000 a week that need to be recruited, trained up and ready to go.

I'm going to call bullshit on the whole story - no extra and just guff'n'lies.