Westminstenders: Run Forrest Run

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Need i say more?

Thing is, clav, the EU trade negotiators are details men. They will eat an 'Evangelist' for breakfast.

So appointing him is yet another complete waste of my taxes.

The Shire Counties will not forgive this
www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18697197.brexit-lorry-parks-built-dorset-without-consent/

Yes they will.

I just looked at that list of Customs Clearance "Training Providers"
Once you remove the accountancy firms and the Chambers of Commerce
there are only about 15 actual experts on that list
and its really interesting to see which of the known experts in the field have chosen to NOT be on there

I am quite possibly wrong. However I think one of the earmarked lorry park sites. (At least when they were planning for it last time) was repurposed as a Covid test area.

Thing is, clav, the EU trade negotiators are details men. They will eat an 'Evangelist' for breakfast.

From the same article in the Guardian;

"The government has already hired a vastly experienced trade technician in Crawford Falconer, the former New Zealand ambassador to the World Trade Organization in Geneva. Falconer is a tough and wily negotiator"...

"Abbott doesn’t claim to have Falconer’s grasp of the nitty-gritty, but that wouldn’t be his role. His job would be give log-jammed negotiations a political push and so get free trade deals over the line."

The list of Customs training providers was published in May 2020 for heaven's sake.

I asked where the 50,000 extra customs agents (that's 1,000 a week to be recruited, vetted, added to payroll, etc etc) were.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-04/shortage-of-customs-staff-risks-brexit-shock-trade-deal-or-not

Not quite sure why a list of training providers was the response, which led me to assume we'd start playing "information neither of us gives a fuck about" and it was my turn.

Hiring 1,000 a week necessitates trawling through at least five times that number of cvs (so that's 5,000 cvs a week) and then whittling it down to possibly 2 or 3 candidates per position (so that's 2,500-3,000 interviews a week).

It's depressing how the government fails on even the most basic of sanity checks and no one notices, let alone cares.

Enthusiasm is one of the key skills required for negotiating a very complex trade deal??

DGRossetti
Not quite sure why a list of training providers was the response, which led me to assume we'd start playing "information neither of us gives a fuck about" and it was my turn.

I was replying to peregrina - did you work for HMRC many years ago as well?

@ListeningQuietly

I just looked at that list of Customs Clearance "Training Providers" Once you remove the accountancy firms and the Chambers of Commerce there are only about 15 actual experts on that list and its really interesting to see which of the known experts in the field have chosen to NOT be on there

I saved those seconds of my life by seeing the title of the link, seeing the poster and applying my "cynicism saves time" rule.

Enthusiasm is one of the key skills required for negotiating a very complex trade deal??

Apparently - an enthusiastic ending to his speech;

"But know this: there are some 160 other countries out there, too polite to take sides, but ready to welcome you back: back into a wider world; back into a bigger family; nearly all of them willing you to succeed; and just wanting you to get this done."

@Clavinova

DGRossetti Not quite sure why a list of training providers was the response, which led me to assume we'd start playing "information neither of us gives a fuck about" and it was my turn.

I was replying to peregrina - did you work for HMRC many years ago as well?

My post asking where the 50,000 agents were:

DGRossetti Fri 04-Sep-20 11:43:01

Your post blathering on about training providers in response to my post

Clavinova Fri 04-Sep-20 12:17:55

Pergrinas post about HMRC

Peregrina Fri 04-Sep-20 12:40:11

But do carry on.

(Call me Keir )

I do at least understand the complexity of taxation, even if no longer up to date. We used to be asked to explain what we did in a sentence. "To assess and collect the correct amount of tax at the due time." Simple.

So why did we need whole shelves of books to tell us how to fill out the forms - because there were something like a hundred of them, that is why. I don't doubt that Customs forms are equally complex.

"Abbott doesn’t claim to have Falconer’s grasp of the nitty-gritty, but that wouldn’t be his role. His job would be give log-jammed negotiations a political push and so get free trade deals over the line."*

So Abbott’s main role in getting the China deal across the line was to, in his customary attack dog mode, go after the Labour politicians who were criticising the terms allowing Chinese workers into the country. Exactly how is that skill going to be effective when arguing for similar terms in a Chinese /Indian free trade deal with the U.K. in the face of not just opposition from other parties but also Tory backbenchers. He no longer has any political capital in Australia, never mind here.

DGRossetti
My mistake!

Nice to see that one of the training providers in my link is also quoted in your link - snap!

its really interesting to see which of the known experts in the field have chosen to NOT be on there

The list obviously does contain some well known names;

Deloitte LLP
Ernst & Young LLP
KPMG LLP

I don't doubt that Customs forms are equally complex.
C88 and T2 forms are not very complex
BUT
The Tariff is
and getting the wrong tariff code can be VERY expensive if you bollocks up the VAT and duty
for the exporter and the importer

Its not a particularly skilled job
BUT
the problem is that it has to be done FAST at all hours
and all the skilled people in East Kent who stopped having to do it decades ago are gone / old

Call me Keir

Keir doesn't our trade missions to succeed either - not for another 5 years at least.

I have to sign off now anyway.

Correction - Keir doesn't want our trade missions to succeed either.

Clavinova
Accountancy firms are NOT the experts we are looking for
its folks like Allport, Schenker, Menzies, Dentressangle
who know what they are doing

I am not sure how Clavinova thinks that providing a list of providers of Customs training before anyone else has mentioned it, is a reply to my posts, when my previous ones were about same sex legislation and HS2.

Why would BJ want to import an Australian Farage, when the British one has caused him enough trouble.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/04/your-t-abbott-brexitradebot-1000-can-expound-at-length-on-any-subject

@Clavinova

However, the decent ones don't keep using misogynist insults against those they disagree

If he keeps using misogynist insults why did you quote something from 1998?

.... Has he ever apologied for his misogynist remarks in 1998 and said he was wrong ?

His Deputy leader was excusing them in 2012 as "just posing questions"
Swap "women" for "people of colour" if you agree with her it was OK to say that about women

Ms Bishop also defended Mr Abbott's 1998 suggestion that men might be better suited to exercise authority and the under-representation of women in positions of power might not be a bad thing.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/pm-must-apologise-to-abbott-women-bishop-20121011-27g0o.html

I also posted Julia Gillard's speech from 2012 when Abbot was the leader of the Opposition in Australia,
calling him out for the misogynist insults he kept making about her personally in 2012

and Abbott's claim of his own party's "health dictatorship" over COVID, which was earlier this week.
So we can assume he thinks BJ is also running a "health dictatorship" since the strategies are pretty similar

• Abbott wants to sacrifice the elderly; BJ and his government do not

C88 and T2 forms are not very complex

That was really what I was getting at with the Inland Revenue forms - the form themselves were often straight forward, but knowing which information to put on the form wasn't always.

@Clavinova

Enthusiasm is one of the key skills required for negotiating a very complex trade deal??

Apparently - an enthusiastic ending to his speech;

"But know this: there are some 160 other countries out there, too polite to take sides, but ready to welcome you back: back into a wider world; back into a bigger family; nearly all of them willing you to succeed; and just wanting you to get this done."

.... I expect other countries - and naive Brexiters - would be enthusiastic but all of the deals added together don't look anything like compensation for what the UK is losing in trade with the EU e.g. biggest deal would be with the USA:

US trade deal to boost UK economy by 0.16% over 15 years
Government says future pact will fail to offset loss in trade from leaving EU

https://www.ft.com/content/3aef20b0-5c8f-11ea-8033-fa40a0d65a98

The government's planned post-Brexitt* trade deal with New Zealand will have a negligible effect on the British economy
and could actually make it shrink slightly and leave people worse off, according to government forecasts.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-new-zealand-economy-jacinda-ardern-a9571421.html