Anyone changed their mind re Brexit since Covid 19?

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I wondered if this issue has influenced you at all? I think I am changing my mind

Why are people banging on about fishing rights when the UK sold those? Honestly 🤦🏻‍♀️

Anyway, Brexit was sold on a pack of lies and I think it’s an awful idea to go ahead with it.

It’s all part of Dominic Cummings plan to completely throw the country into disarray and try and “rebuild” it.

Easy for him to say from his family’s country pile and family fortune.

I do remember Hoxha, and there was nothing to like. And I have already said that the UK has borrowed bits from different legal sytems, over 600 years, and its a better system for it

What does that have to do with being in the EU?

The Unelected Dominic Cummings - we used to hear an awful lot about unelected EU people, even when we elected MEPs, (one at least who hardly ever bothered to attend and wasn't concerned enough about fishing rights then, to attend the committees).

@Iggly
Why are people banging on about fishing rights when the UK sold those? Honestly 🤦🏻‍♀️

Fisherman who went out of business sold their fishing quotas issued under the EU fishing quotas. These will no longer exist for the U.K next year but some countries, particularly France are in meltdown over the risks to their fishing industries as they catch the vast majority of their fish from UK waters.

Ask locals in south devon and the French mass trawlers even routinely breach the 12 mile coastal limit with little penalty so if we are to enforce this, we will have to get our act together

No

I thought Brexit was a bad idea but and now the incompetence of our government has been revealed during their handling of this crisis, I think it's going to be even worse than I'd imagined.

What backintime said.

Voted remain. No regrets at all.

Why are people banging on about fishing rights when the UK sold those?

Because all they've got left. Wet fish...

Many intelligent people voted brexit as well for various reasons there are two sides to it

Yes, many intelligent people were taken in by the various lies that were told.

That doesn't make them thick...

But it is possible to be intelligent and incorrect.

We've all sat and watch all the touted benefits of Brexit be proven false one after another. There's no point in pretending otherwise, lest we live in a fantasy world.

If you're asking for a point of view to be respected that has been proven to be damaging and based on lies, without a hint of redeeming value attached then you're barking up the wrong tree.

Yes, Brexit voters are no less intelligent than anyone else. But I couldn't care less about relative intelligence. I care about whether it's a good decision or not.

The argument about whether Brexit supporters are intelligent or stupid is a massive irrelevance.

The way some EU countries treated Italy at the beginning of the Covid 19 was disgraceful, the EU have since apologised but all in together is ok until the shit hits the fan for the EU.

I actually do think there will be some benefits of Brexit. It is like anything, never clear cut.

What I thought would be better is employers forced to take on British workers and train them, rather than them having an excuse to stay unemployed. Post Covid probably not such a short term benefit as even maintaining freedom of movement, it would have been less for a while.

Covid has been a good illustration as to how poor the EU actually is as they were pretty useless. Reflects the problems over federal structures..and even Trump has realised his powers were limited in the USA

Are you Priti Patel in another guise MarieG10? She sounded off about the unemployed being directed into work. As we know with her, she is challenged when it comes to numbers - so most of the supposed unemployed weren't - being either long term sick or students.

We haven't exactly seen a rush of people to do the fruit picking jobs, which is actually more skilled than the average person realises.

I have yet to see the Government announce plans for realistically increase the number of training places for nursing and midwifery - which is one area where there usually are more applicants than places. I can't remember whether they did a U-turn on the bursary issue or not, but scrapping it was disastrous.

Why does it matter to you whether the EU were poor at their response? We have left, we are a third country. The USA is a Federal structure and that has also been worse than pretty useless.

The only good thing I can think of about Brexit is that it's shut Nigel Farage up, all though he keeps trying to reinvent himself.

@Hazelnutlatteplease My Husband is a fisherman and has always had issues with the EU over quota is our waters. He and all our family are all Brexit Supporters and absolutely hate the EU for good reasons. He also knows daily of Illegal immigrants coming over in boats (sometimes 180) a day and its not reported on the news (apart from Mr Farage who has witnessed it) Who knows what they have done in their own countries and are all mainly men from different countries. They get housing etc when we have so many on our streets homeless and in desperate need of a helping hand.

You must be pleased then nicky - you have got your Brexit. It's up to our Government to sort out illegal immigration.

Don't understand brexitiers banging on about the so called EU's poor response to CV, what do you expect them to do?

They are not a government, they don't hold stocks of PPE or ventilators nor do they have the power to force any govt to do x y or z.

Whether you like it or not, CV proves the EU is still basically a trading bloc, its control over the nation state is very limited.

You've been conned if you have believed otherwise.

As for UK firms training UK workers? like fuck they will.

There is still no bursary but most AH students can get a 5k bounty per year but still have to pay back their 28k in tuition fees @ 6% interest rate.

He also knows daily of Illegal immigrants coming over in boats

Hmmmm have I changed my mind? Would I rather cope with:

1.	A forecast  slump in GDP of 11.5% due to Covid-19 whilst having the support and kudos of being a leading member of a powerful trading bloc giving unrestricted access to a market on our doorstep worth $18.8 trillion of 500 million consumers  -plus the financially insignificant arrival of some illegal migrants (which has  happened since before 1066 anyway).
2.	A forecast  slump in GDP of 11.5% due to Covid-19 plus £130bn in lost GDP growth over the next 15 years according to government figures -plus  the financially insignificant arrival of some illegal migrants (which has happened since before 1066 anyway).

I've not changed my mind. I'd rather the Covid didn't have to be factored in at all- but I'll take 1 thanks.

Having worked for the NHS through COVID, I feel even more strongly that we MUST remain. Membership to the EMA will be crucial in the widest and most cost effective distribution of medications and vaccines, and the NHS simply cannot function without our EU staff.

Voted remain before and would do 100 times over.

I am looking at today's EasyJet announcement and thinking 'COVID or Brexit'?

Probably both.

But I still prefer to blame Brexit

A good many people who voted to leave ,like myself , never saw anything but a no deal ahead.
There was never going to be a way 28 countries could agree .
Covid just means that by the time we walk away, we can sort out country out, with no interference from the EU.

Why is Albania always referred to in terms of Mafia - there's plenty else that Albanians do. It's like saying "I'm off to see Pompeii, Rome, Venice" and the only answer to that is "well watch out for the Mafia".

Anyway, although NATO has accepted Albania it seems that the EU have shat on Albania from a great height, which most Albanians will be disappointed by, having spent many years jumping through EU hoops, all for nothing.

Contrary to various assumptions, I do find that many Albanians share a similar 'sense of humour' to British Isle inhabitants. I've laughed with too many Albanians to think otherwise.

And, no, it wasn't Norman Wisdom related - the modern historians amongst us will recall that Hoxha was a big fan - despite banning any non-Albanian media from his own people.

@mummmy2017

A good many people who voted to leave ,like myself , never saw anything but a no deal ahead. There was never going to be a way 28 countries could agree . Covid just means that by the time we walk away, we can sort out country out, with no interference from the EU.

Oh god, the naïveté.

Bless. 'Sort our country out'.

Did nasty Brussels stop those nice Tories from 'sorting the country out', over 10 years of power? Or is that what austerity failed to do?

Or, have we just, those with the eyes to see, witnessed the most inept response to a Grown Up Challenge we'd ever seen; thus recognise what lies ahead with a No Deal Brexit, lead, as we are, by lick-spittle charlatans and clowns.

Cummings should hire you as a slogan writer, though 'Sort the Country Out' has one too many words.

HTH.

I don't need to argue with you, there won't be a deal.
We will be able to progress as without Brussels, just a matter of waiting the days left till we leave.

No, still a remainer.

We are all leavers now.
Your a rejoiner.
But I think your going to have to wait many decades to rejoin, and even then it won't be as it is now.

We will be able to progress as without Brussels, just a matter of waiting the days left till we leave.

Interesting how many Leave posts on MN are written in idiosyncratic English.