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Westminstenders: Where are we now?

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RedToothBrush · 12/06/2020 21:21

Twenty thousand people
Cross Bösebrücke
Fingers are crossed
Just in case
Walking the dead

Where are we now, where are we now?
The moment you know, you know, you know

Just that.

Don't really want to reflect more than that right now.

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yoikes · 14/06/2020 13:07

I swing from being very relieved we qualified peregrina and utterly furious I felt it necessary.
We aren't rich either, and the fees wiped out our savings at the time :(
Many arguments with dh!!

ListeningQuietly · 14/06/2020 13:32

Spare passports sometimes come with more baggage than they are worth - even if they are blue Grin

And indeed yoikes
When the Iron Curtain fell I thought that DH and I could raise children in a better world.
It is very sad to see where we have ended up

BigChocFrenzy · 14/06/2020 14:25

"If Biden wins, Ireland will get a veto on any trade deal."

Trump - or rather the US negotiatiors - will insist the WA NI Protocol be followed, simply because Congress won't pass an FTA without this amendment.

imo, the terms of any US FTA won't differ much regardless of who is POTUS
they have the UK over a barrel and US policy is always "America First" - it's just that most Presidents disguise this much better, at least wrt the UK

BigChocFrenzy · 14/06/2020 15:11

Ipsos Mori survey of 1,983 people on extension & covid cooperation
(on behalf of the Health Foundation, an independent charity)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/13/more-than-half-of-british-people-support-brexit-transition-extension

Among the first sample, who were told that the transition period for leaving the EU would end on 31 December,
54% said the government should request an extension
while 40% said it should not.

The second sample received additional information on potential delays to the supply of medicines and medicinal products in the event of a no-deal Brexit,
and among this sample,

the proportion thinking the transition period should extend increased to 65%,
with 31% saying it should not extend.

Overall, people aged 18-24 were far more likely to support an extension (85%).
...
77% of those surveyed believe the UK should work “very closely” with the EU to combat Covid-19,
with a further 17% agreeing it should work with the EU “fairly closely”.

DGRossetti · 14/06/2020 15:21

Two pictures.

mrslaughan · 14/06/2020 15:49

Loved that picture DGR - Pitt the Mail didn't put IT in their front page....

DGRossetti · 14/06/2020 15:56

Pity the Mail didn't put IT in their front page....

Or this ...

(every time I see that picture, for some reason I remember Gorings fascination with trying to be an English gentleman. And why oh why oh why hasn't one of Britains top dramatists thought to write a series "Ribbentrop in the UK". It would be side-splitting a la "Private Shultz" )

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DGRossetti · 14/06/2020 16:13

The boss[1] is back !

NIGEL Farage has confirmed that he is preparing to relaunch the Brexit Party amid concerns that Boris Johnson and the Conservatives are losing control of the country and could go soft on Brexit.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1295440/nigel-farage-brexit-party-return-boris-johnson-EU-trade-deal

[1]I briefly heard an Elton John tune in my head, bit really it's not appropriate.

MashedPotatoBrainz · 14/06/2020 16:32

Farage is back because he's been kicked off LBC so needs another outlet to make him feel significant again.

ListeningQuietly · 14/06/2020 16:39

Farridge is no longer an elected representative
Farridge is not a presenter on any mainstream media outlet
therefore Question Time would have NO excuse to have him on
so he HAS to relaunch the Brexshit party
to allow the meejah folks to keep calling him in to speak

DGRossetti · 14/06/2020 16:44

Farage is back because he's been kicked off LBC so needs another outlet to make him feel significant again.

Who cares ? The bottom line is Boris is now going to have to fend of Farage, his own party and a competent opposition leader. All while clearly not in the best of health and losing the love that he seems to feel he needs to exist.

It's also telling that despite a no deal Brexit being almost a dead cert, Farage feels it's somehow "wimping out". Suggesting he wants to be around when the shit does hit the fan singing his favourite song of "If we'd done it my way ...."

Either way, whats a poor EU citizen to think ? One the one hand, a man who told them to piss off back where they came from 3 years ago is now begging them to return, while the man who is one of them (lest we forget Farages German roots) has returned to the fray because Boris isn't tough enough.

I'm just looking forward to the well known posters explaining it to us as part of what they wanted all along ....

DGRossetti · 14/06/2020 16:46

Farridge is no longer an elected representative
Farridge is not a presenter on any mainstream media outlet

I know. Good isn't it. Let him steal some oxygen of publicity from the Tories.

DGRossetti · 14/06/2020 17:40

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MashedPotatoBrainz · 14/06/2020 17:43

Any news yet on how his table banging conference call is going? Have the EU seen the error of their ways and capitulated yet?

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2020 18:47

Someone trying to stay relevant???

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Mistigri · 14/06/2020 18:59

I'm not sure what the Farage-enrichment party is going to demand that he hasn't already got. How much more extreme can he get, short of lynching EU immigrants?

DGRossetti · 14/06/2020 19:12

Fuck Farage - this is the guy we should look to for inspiration

BigChocFrenzy · 14/06/2020 20:26

Of all the tweets that aged badly ....

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MashedPotatoBrainz · 14/06/2020 20:28

I vote for chaos with Miliband.

RedToothBrush · 14/06/2020 20:46

Could a private prosecution of Dominic Cummings be on the cards?

It's a possibility.

And I certainly would not like to up against Nazir Afzal. He is pretty good in a courtroom...

Nazir Afzal @nazirafzal
^Dominic Cummings a thread:
The big divide was never between black & white, nor men & women, nor north & south
It's between those with power & those without^
The power differential is the greatest cause of inequality

Like 60,000 others my late brother was 1 of the powerless

My experience tells me that there have to be consequences for law breaking otherwise the public lose confidence in those meant to enforce the law, and lose trust in the law itself
The powerful must be dealt with without fear or favour

So when I witnessed the Prime Minister and others wrapping a shield around Dominic Cummings I was horrified. I watched him get the privilege of a press conference in the garden at 10 Downing Street when any other civil servant would be denied on pain of discipline or worse.

I read how he and his wife wrote about their experience of Covid19 to elicit sympathy for their predicament (one experienced by 1000s of others including my late brother) without telling us that he had breached the regulations that were in place to protect every one of us.

I saw when he dismissed his trip to Barnard Castle (a place I know well) as a “sightseeing” exercise, giving new meaning to the word
The fact it was his wife’s birthday being brushed away as a coincidence
He travelled when London was drowning in Covid whilst the North East wasn’t

Is it a coincidence 1000s of our fellow citizens looked at what he did & how he was allowed to avoid justice and decided that they too wouldn’t comply?
Even more of a coincidence that PM altered the regulations prematurely to put us all at more risk almost immediately afterwards?

We since learnt the Chief Nurse was not allowed to attend a Downing Street Briefing after she challenged the Govt’s line & saw the danger

I then discovered 1000s of letters to the police asking for more information, even by MPs, have barely been acknowledged, nevermind answered

So I’ve instructed Mike Schwarz of solicitors Hodge Jones & Allen & Counsel Matthew Ryder QC of Matrix chambers on behalf of all of us who want to get to the bottom of what happened and why

To better understand what police in Durham & London knew & what drove the decision making

I also support the campaign and crowdjustice bid from other citizens horrified by Dominic Cummings and the Prime Minister's action.
www.hja.net/press-releases/launch-of-citizens-bid-for-prosecution-of-dominic-cummings/

If those facts support a prosecution & the Police/CPS choose not to pursue one, then I will have to consider one.
Its the truth we really need for every citizen whose goodwill & generosity led to painful sacrifices in order to comply with the law & protect their fellow Briton

I would suggest this is worth watching, not simply for the possibility of a private prosecution, but also because I think it may give some incite into the line Starmer is likely to take politically going forward.

Afzal was a chief prosecutor in the North West and is highly respected. Starmer was the Head of the CPS and Director of Public Prosecution (though not without controversy over some of the decisions he made).

Starmer is likely to take the role of leader of the opposition as if its a long trial and trying to assess how to best get a 'prosecution' by persuading the 'Jury' (public) that Johnson is guilty. Its been hinted at that he's going to go for a breaking the 'rule of law' approach. Which is essentially what Afzal is hinting at too with regards to Cummings.

May kept becoming unstuck with this both at the home office and as PM. It'll be interesting to see if Johnson has similar problems. And whether we will see more about elected judges etc again, pretty soon (We will)

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DGRossetti · 14/06/2020 21:21

The CPS will quash any private prosecution. The state controls the courts and always has.

Peregrina · 14/06/2020 21:23

The CPS will quash any private prosecution.

My thought too. My only hope is that it makes enough stink that Cummings and Johnson don't get away with it.

Peregrina · 14/06/2020 22:34

It's depressing to read on another thread about Brexiters still going on about the EU being difficult over fishing. Where exactly do they think we get the cod we eat in the UK and who catches it? What do they think our fishermen do with their catches?

Let us hope that they are not dependent on any medicines, and don't mind food shortages. This reminds me how it used to be in Communist countries back in the 70s and early 80s. Who would have thought that was what they wanted to bring about?

Pepperwort · 14/06/2020 23:30

When the Iron Curtain fell I thought that DH and I could raise children in a better world. It is very sad to see where we have ended up

That seemed to be the trigger for making everything worse. All we have heard ever since is "socialism doesn't work", so public services are inherently bad and need to be replaced by privatisation. "Socialism doesn't work", so we can give the rich a free hand to leverage their wealth against lower income groups making a living. "Socialism doesn't work" therefore the whole taxation system can be demolished. It was one hell of a propaganda coup.

HateIsNotGood · 14/06/2020 23:40

At least a few here are refocusing on the Brexit. fishing is a bit like banging your head on a wall; it's so obvious - the difficulies around this are because of pure geography.

Besides malta. no other EU member state has nearly a 100% border with the Sea, and RoI of course. Other than finding ways to be difficult about this utter fact it would seem best To find other points to be difficult on.

Having already been put through years of uncertainty I do rather welcome the current UK position; discuss and conclude now or the UK says nyet and moves on.

Which means No Deal. And not Ideal.