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Westministenders: Reployed back to No Deal Planning

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2020 22:52

Now Covid-19 is over (yeah I know right) lots of civil servants who were switched from brexit no deal planning to covid-19 planning have been switched back to their original remit.

For some reason this doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

We've also seen yet another doubling down on the EU not being flexible and how they need to make a deal. And lots of rhetoric about being serious about no transiton planning.

Remember we have something of a deadline looming at the end of next month.

So before we are even out of this crisis, the government have lost interest. Today's press conference was an eye opener - Van Tam openly said that the time taken to get test results was too long and wasn't good enough yet and meant track and trace wasnt still operational despite it being such a crucial factor in being able to go into the next phase as planned on 1st June.

Another deadline we won't make - the Manchester Nightgale still has patients and the local authorities in the NW are going mental. So the government is playing more silly buggers over blame and villianising the evil workshy teachers. Noting the government guidance for teachers on how to teacher children at home says fuck all and the guidance on reopening schools makes a Theresa May dog ate my homework style document look positively well thought out, in terms of practicality. (Not even going to touch on the question of whether its safe - the whether its workable one is more important).

I guess that means things are getting back to normal at least.

A recession looms, but workers rights are now fair game and fully in the government cross hairs - as we see from a lack of PPE for the 'heroes' and the attacks on the teachers. As well as the carers who were sold down river. That'll be the ununionised carers...

Taking back control.

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Peregrina · 24/05/2020 18:45

I can't imagine why Boris Johnson is tired of daily briefings - just how many has he done? Wasn't the last one two weeks ago? That was also a car crash as I recall.

I hope the 1922 committee are getting their knives sharpened.

SwedishEdith · 24/05/2020 18:46

Channel 4 News interviewing people in Barnard Castle. They were all angry and appalled at the hypocrisy. Hypocrisy and, effectively, making people look stupid - that's not going to be easily forgiven. It's in Bishop Auckland - a Tory gain from Labour. Those seats won't stay Tory if people think they're being laughed at.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2020 18:46

Testing all kids would take so long that the first ones tested could have caught it and displayed symptoms before the testing has been completed

The UK only manages 100k tests in a day when including those still in the post or sent to the USA for processing

BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2020 18:49

Wasn't there this supposed rebellion by the people against an out of touch elite .... Hmm

Oh right, the UK then swapped in the most entitled elite ever,
who can barely disguise their contempt for the plebs they rule

HateIsNotGood · 24/05/2020 18:50

BCF - that is my understanding too, but it's just our observations - who actually does employ him, what does his Contrct say, who writes his cheques? The Govt (which dept), The Party (Conservative), Borrie (as Household Staff, or?)

Agree Peregrina, whilst it's probably an Alice Manouevre (I spelt it wrong in pp I know), we should still file in Pending.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2020 18:51

He is a SPAD, so paid by the govt, i.e. the taxpayer, not the Tory party

Peregrina · 24/05/2020 18:52

Those seats won't stay Tory if people think they're being laughed at.

This is where Labour have got to get themselves organised now. Labour were complacent for far too long in those seats but now they have got four years to get local campaigns up and running to rebuild support and not let Johnson, or his successor, get away with this. Slogging round doorsteps, delivering leaflets and canvassing does work.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/05/2020 18:56

A 13-year-old boy died of COVID in King’s College hospital - alone

His family were not allowed to visit him
Afterwards, they were not allowed to attend his funeral because of self-isolation rules.

But they are all plebs, so family doesn't matter for them

ListeningQuietly · 24/05/2020 18:58

Labour finally have a leader who knows how (and when) to attack.

But if the Government carry on defending the indefensible
the end of June will whoosh by with no deal

Peregrina · 24/05/2020 18:59

You are not allowed to say that though BigChoc - because that is emotional blackmail.

JeSuisPoulet · 24/05/2020 19:02

BCF I'm talking about the few who's parents will be sending in on 1st June.. At the least it might make the govt stop and think.

SwedishEdith · 24/05/2020 19:03

This is a very plausible summary of what probably really happened. I doubt very much that they were actually ill. The news keeps saying "showed symptoms". Having a bit of a temperature fits that criteria. And some have suggested he basically moved the family up there and commutes down to London.

(((Frances "Cassandra" Coppola)))
@Frances_Coppola
Does anyone believe this "drove 260 miles with covid" story? Because I don't. Here's what I think happened. 1/

Dom and his wife had arranged some time before to visit his parents. They decided to go ahead with the visit despite the lockdown. When Dom was seen furtively leaving no.10 in a hurry and then disappeared for two weeks, he was off to Durham. 2/

At some point, while they were in Durham, he and his wife developed symptoms of covid. 3/

Also at some point he was seen by a member of the public, who told the police. This might have been while he had covid, since it comes and goes. 4/

Police talked to a member of the family - maybe his parents? about the need to observe the rules. 5/

After ending self-isolation the family returned to London. 6/

Now the police visit has been revealed in the press, he has had to think up a story in a hurry to explain his presence in Durham. 7/

He knew about Jenny Harries' statement on 10 April and realised that gave him a potential escape route. So he concocted a story about driving to Durham so his parents could look after his child while he was ill. 8/

But this story has huge holes in it. If he and his wife were both simultaneously ill enough to need their child to be looked after 24/7, they were too ill to drive to Durham. 9/

And they also knew that the virus was potentially lethal to elderly people. So if they did drive to Durham while ill, they were deliberately risking his parents' lives. Government advice at the time of their Durham visit was that children should not go to their grandparents. /10

It's also possible that he never had covid symptoms at all, and his wife's Spectator story is a smokescreen to cover his absence from work and discourage journos from investigating where he had gone. /11

In fact the more I think about it, the more likely this seems. They knew they were in big trouble if their trip to Durham came to light, so they concocted a story about covid infection as a smokescreen. /12

But now the smokescreen has collapsed, so they've had to think up another story in a hurry. Trouble is, new story had to include both serious covid infection (because that's what Wakefield's piece says) and a trip to elderly parents in Durham, simultaneously. /13

The new story also had to make the trip to Durham appear to be within govt guidelines. Hence the totally incredible "drove 260 miles while ill with covid so elderly parents could take care of child". /14

And because he knows he is in trouble, he also musters his troops to sell this incredible story to senior journos in a flurry of anonymous briefings. Very high profile journos, bcs he needs publicity, but also ones he thinks won't ask awkward questions.... /15

I have to say I find it very hard to defend Laura Kuenssberg's behaviour. We don't pay her to act as Cummings's mouthpiece.

HateIsNotGood · 24/05/2020 19:03

A SPAD he is then - I'll take your word for it BCF. I think the guy will opt out and go croft somewhere in a woolly jumper or surf shorts depending on his climactic preferences - his income augmented by speech-circuit engagements and maybe a book or two.

The Missus might join in or not - either way it will be old news very soon.

So, how's Brexit doing?

RedToothBrush · 24/05/2020 19:07

They've said testing is available for all children. But testing is only available for children aged 5 and up prior to today's presser. Does that mean they've extended that to 4 year olds in reception and under 4s in nursery?

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DGRossetti · 24/05/2020 19:08

I have to say I find it very hard to defend Laura Kuenssberg's behaviour. We don't pay her to act as Cummings's mouthpiece.

Many people don't pay a licence fee at all. hard to blame them.

Mistigri · 24/05/2020 19:08

Lordy, they have really fucked this one up. Twitter has consumed so much popcorn that a nuclear explosion must be imminent. Out in the real world I have yet to encounter an actual person of any political persuasion who isn't scandalised by this.

RedToothBrush · 24/05/2020 19:09

Only seeing as DS goes to school with 4 year olds this is quite a relevant point...

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Piggywaspushed · 24/05/2020 19:11

Nope RTB, they just keep forgetting about EYFS. You could hear it as an afterthought in the briefing.

DGRossetti · 24/05/2020 19:11

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Westministenders: Reployed back to No Deal Planning
DrBlackbird · 24/05/2020 19:12

Cummings and Brexit go together like strawberrries and Wimbledon. So no, DC will not be going anywhere soon. To craft woolly jumpers or otherwise. He is Brexit, him and Gove, and he's there to stiffen Johnson's spine and use his, not inconsiderable, skills to manage the message that the reason that the UK had to leave without a deal was entirely because of the intransigent EU.

Piggywaspushed · 24/05/2020 19:32

Oh wow :

twitter.com/ReicherStephen/status/1264606173212409857

boatyardblues · 24/05/2020 19:49

Interesting that the scientists are pushing back as the govt tries to throw them under the bus.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 24/05/2020 19:53

mobile.twitter.com/SusanMichie/status/1264613199162281986

and

mobile.twitter.com/robertjwest/status/1264618752848642048

Scientific advisors lining up not to end up being hung out to dry.

RedToothBrush · 24/05/2020 19:57

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3918825-Westminstenders-Magical-Thinking
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