Westministenders: Reployed back to No Deal Planning

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Now Covid-19 is over (yeah I know right) lots of civil servants who were switched from brexit no deal planning to covid-19 planning have been switched back to their original remit.

For some reason this doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

We've also seen yet another doubling down on the EU not being flexible and how they need to make a deal. And lots of rhetoric about being serious about no transiton planning.

Remember we have something of a deadline looming at the end of next month.

So before we are even out of this crisis, the government have lost interest. Today's press conference was an eye opener - Van Tam openly said that the time taken to get test results was too long and wasn't good enough yet and meant track and trace wasnt still operational despite it being such a crucial factor in being able to go into the next phase as planned on 1st June.

Another deadline we won't make - the Manchester Nightgale still has patients and the local authorities in the NW are going mental. So the government is playing more silly buggers over blame and villianising the evil workshy teachers. Noting the government guidance for teachers on how to teacher children at home says fuck all and the guidance on reopening schools makes a Theresa May dog ate my homework style document look positively well thought out, in terms of practicality. (Not even going to touch on the question of whether its safe - the whether its workable one is more important).

I guess that means things are getting back to normal at least.

A recession looms, but workers rights are now fair game and fully in the government cross hairs - as we see from a lack of PPE for the 'heroes' and the attacks on the teachers. As well as the carers who were sold down river. That'll be the ununionised carers...

Taking back control.

I'm a bit 😲 at Sweden's reaction to covid-19.
As you say, these are real people and real drs and nurses giving their lives...
Baffling

I was in Sweden in February. It breaks my heart to think of how many of the wonderful people I met, including those in vulnerable groups, may now have died or lost someone.

I don't know much about Sweden or Swedes...did the Swedosh Govt just not think the people would accept/obey lockdown?

TL;DR the fewer people you can interact with, the much better off you'll be.

Right. Are we going to keep lockdown up for 2 years? At some point we will have to open the gates again.

It’s not: lockdown and then everything will be ok, and we only come out once the threat is gone. It’s lockdown to get infection under control, spare the NHS, then re-open with safety regulations and testing.

It seems to have done a much better job elsewhere in the world when done more quickly and effectively

I agree. We should have locked down faster and taken more lessons from other countries. It’s a no brainer to learn from other countries and implement what works.

But the west is really arrogant. And our government is particularly arrogant and particularly inept.

It should be a no brainer surely to stop 15,000 people arriving per day through airports with no testing. It’s a no brainer to ring fence care homes. You’d have thought.

Except our government literally has no brain.

@yoikes

^not just waking up in the morning and thinking "fuck it, I'm off to sneeze all over the baked goods in the co op coz I dont care if I die..."
(I no longer buy baked goods from said co op after witnessing an old man sneeze rather productively, and wipe his hand on the bags for customer use^

And how many OAPs actually think that?

Rather than blaming this OAP why not talk to him, see what his mental health is like - does he understand the rules? Many with dementia don’t or they forget them. Does he has a support network, a supply chain. Can he get his food delivered? Alert the shop staff, suggest someone goes round with him etc.

Nordic countries in general massive stereotype alert are more socially responsible, so perhaps they hoped people would take advice rather than need to impose? I don't know much about their government in general though.

Although the most important thing I didn't realise - it's a majority cashless country now. It's really hard to find a shop that accepts it and doesn't look at you like you are crazy.

Of the Nordics, Swedes are (generalisation health warning) the most officous and likely to tell each other off for not following rules. They are also the most uppity in complaining that they are not getting their due. The word ombudsman is Swedish, because the Swedes needed to invent such a thing, so often were they moaning about the rules.

It has also been noted that all the nordics have female PMs at the moment except Sweden.

No dementia in this case.

He's just an ignorant pig. They do exist, sadly.

Hmm...intetesting. dh and ds1 had strip to Sweden a couple of years ago and loved it.
Makes me wonder if they've gone for the hard immunity theory.

a trip

yoikes When I was working in Sweden, I did have to strip for mixed sauna

Same in Germany

Don't want to be the obvious Brit by leaving my socks on

Omg
I'd be the typical brit in my vest and pants

I spent the first decade of my life in Germany.

I saw more penises then than in the two decades since.

sigh I wish I still lived in Germany.

I could make a joke about BJ being frustrated that he's lost his "world beating" status, but these are real people, real lives and real deaths

As usual, Stalin applies

TL;DR the fewer people you can interact with, the much better off you'll be.

Right. Are we going to keep lockdown up for 2 years? At some point we will have to open the gates again.

I didn't say that. You invented it all on your own ....

Yoikes It is down to Sweden’s state epidemiologist who is standing by the herd immunity strategy. He reckons the rest of the world suffer a bigger second wave and will have to lockdown again whereas many swedes will be immune. He seems to wield a lot of charisma for Swedes, and so has public support No doubt this will disappear behind the paywall www.ft.com/content/a2b4c18c-a5e8-4edc-8047-ade4a82a548d

I didn't say that

I know. I’m asking how you truism translates into public policy.

On the topic of udpating English, I have a query. I am v aware that my English may have got fossilised at the time I left the UK, and I hope posters here know me well enough to realise that I'm not being goady asking this...

Has purposefully lost its original meaning and become a synonym for deliberately? I see it used that way more and more.

I thought the current %age of people who had antibodies in stockholm was only about 7.3% at the end of April?

We sent our convicts to Australia and our Taliban to North America.

See also the laid-back liberal Dutch, who sent their ruminant-brained racists to South Africa.

I must admit, Auld I'd have thought it meant 'on purpose' rather than acting 'with purpose', depending on context.

So 'he purposefully strode up to the podium' = with purpose

'they purposefully sent covid patients to care homes' =on purpose

He's just an ignorant pig. They do exist, sadly.

Unless you know the particular bloke you can’t tell.

But yes ignorance is certainly part of the problem. The prize would probably go to the superspreader in India who quarantined 40,000 people from 20 villages when he went to a Sikh festival after returning from Italy.

Has purposefully lost its original meaning and become a synonym for deliberately? I see it used that way more and more.

Apparently. Just as disinterested has come to mean uninterested and reticent is coming to mean reluctant.

I know. I’m asking how you truism translates into public policy.

Aha ! Well that's the question. But it's now a tad more nuanced than "lockdown"/"no lockdown".

Sometimes it's about the destination. Sometimes it's about the journey. And sometimes it's about appreciating the difference.

However all of this pales into insignificance when the debate is being artificially framed to deliver the answer "get back to work you scroungers, and fuck the risk."