Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

Sorry I didn't watch the briefing, I thought I heard that he was at here, but couldn't find any reference.

Uh oh.

Really need Boris to pull through as a high profile death at this time would destabilise lots of people
and politics
and business

Exactly my feelings @ICouldHaveBeenAContender

He has several children and another on the way...

His own hubrustic behaviour has caused this but I sincerely hope he recovers.

I imagine there are many who will now - sadly - sit up and take notice.

BJ is only 55.

BJ has been moved to ICU

Well, hell.

Outcomes of ICU patients in UK...

Look at the 50 - 69 age group...

Didn’t take his own advice. Made tasteless joke about last gasps. Still, I hope he pulls through.

I hope he recovers as this must be so frightening for everyone suffering at home with symptoms.

No matter what your politics is this is deadly serious. Knew they were playing it down. No matter what we think of him he is our Priminister and the country needs him.

Oh shit
As a fellow human being, I wish him well - and everyone else on ICU too

From ER doctor in New Orleans:

https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102444

Clinical course is predictable.

2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start.
Common are fever, headache, dry cough, myalgias(back pain), nausea without vomiting, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhea,
loss of smell, anorexia, fatigue.

Day 5 of symptoms- increased SOB, and bilateral viral pneumonia from direct viral damage to lung parenchyma.

Day 10- Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure.
You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours.

81% mild symptoms, 14% severe symptoms requiring hospitalization, 5% critical

Steven Swinford has just tweeted Johnson is conscious and on oxygen (not a ventilator which would be very bad news).

Beth Rigby@BethRigby
Senior govt source tells me ‘the PM is the PM’ but he has asked Dominic Raab to deputise for him & For Sec takes on any responsibilities he might need, including day-to-day running of #coronavirus response. Also takes over security decisions as necessary

This may be the time for a National Government. Am really praying he recovers.( And all those in ICU with him) Glad Starmer is leader of opposition a cool head. Dominic Raab not up to it on his own. What a f***g awful year. God help us all.

BBC-Coronavirus: Inside an ICU fighting Covid-19
(video)
One of the early comments is that "all the patients here are critically ill"

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-52190961/coronavirus-inside-an-icu-fighting-covid-19

I was under the impression that everyone who got taken to hospital needed intensive care even if that was just oxygen. Is that not so?

If we were in the US the 25th Amendment for Presidential Incapacity would have kicked it now.

Yes he is on oxygen but not respirator.

"I was under the impression that everyone who got taken to hospital needed intensive care even if that was just oxygen. Is that not so?"

Not normally, peregrina

Although the criteria for accepting adult CV patients into hospital is much higher than is usual for breathing difficulties

• check out the MN "Burning lungs threads" -

patients would be admitted for checks that can't be done at home by e.g. an ambulance crew
and most then just need oxygen via a cannula, at least unless they deteriorate

MN already shut down Boris in ICU thread bloody trolls!

"If we were in the US the 25th Amendment for Presidential Incapacity would have kicked it now."

I've long thought we need an official Deputy-PM, not just a stand-in

With an automatic switchover to avoid a very sick PM holding onto power, out of misguided duty or whatever other reason
Or one with dementia say < peers across the pond >

However PMs don't like any dilution of their power, anyone hovering waiting for tragedy or scandal

Neither do Presidents of the USA
The Veep position has often been described there as "tits on a bull"

The old UK system - and maybe the current longterm system if BJ is ill for weeks - was that the Cabinet would elect someone
That would have to be done in thsése circs by videoconf. to avoid going through the same bloody process in 2 weeks or so

Erm I didn't know you can give oxygen through a cannula.

If we were in the US the 25th Amendment for Presidential Incapacity would have kicked it now

Ages ago I suggested the government needed to make the lines of responsibility crystal clear for just this event . It's not a time for dithering.

High flow oxygen via nasal cannula ?

I read an ER doctor on a US site saying they start with that for some patients