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Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2020 15:32

We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 16:50

But this virus is not yet rampant again:

Dominic Cummings yet to return to work
No 10 adviser Dominic Cummings is yet to return to work in Downing Street but remains talking with officials.
"He is not back in No 10 today. He is in contact with No 10,"
the Prime Minister's official spokesman said.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 16:53

Good news for NI:

Loyalist Twelfth of July parade cancelled for first time since war

Northern Ireland's loyalist Twelfth of July parades this summer have been cancelled for the first time since the Second World War due to coronavirus, the Orange Order said.

Social distancing rules and restrictions on the gathering of people during the pandemic were to blame.

The Twelfth marks the culmination of the loyal order marching season and normally attracts thousands of Orange lodge members, bandsmen and onlookers.

ListeningQuietly · 06/04/2020 16:57

First tax return filed - on the first possible day ....
paperwork was dropped off late last night by client in rented accommodation with baby and girlfriend in the unpaid part of maternity leave.
Good solid wages in the house building trade ground to an utter halt.
I have no idea how he will cope until mid June.
His tax refund will only cover part of their bills ......

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 06/04/2020 17:24

Here we go, and a completely predictable stream of on-message guff from Raab, especially on the PM's 'routine' visit to hospital on a sunday night having been filling his diary with engagements on saturday.

PM is apparently deciding which bits of his responsibilities to hand over from time to time.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 17:46

I'm not too surprised if BJ really is still trying to carry on some PM duties from hospital

He's probably as horrified as the rest of us at the idea of Raab having that power

Now if only BJ hadn't assumed back in January that a stand-in would just be for his holiday jaunts .....

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 17:46

Ending COVID via Vaccination

https://www.city-journal.org/coronavirus-vaccine
The biopharmaceutical industry will be able to make a Covid-19 vaccine

  • probably a few of them - using various existing vaccine technologies.

But many people worry that Covid-19 will mutate and evade our vaccines, as the flu virus does each season.

Covid-19 is fundamentally different from flu viruses, though, in ways that will allow our first-generation vaccines to hold up well.

To the extent that Covid does mutate, it’s likely to do so much more slowly than the flu virus does,
buying us time to create new and improved vaccines.

Every virus has a genome composed of genetic material (either RNA or DNA) that encodes instructions for replicating the virus.

When a virus infects a cell, it accesses machinery for making copies of its genomic instructions
and follows those instructions to make viral proteins that assemble, with copies of the instructions, to form more viruses
(which then pop out of the cell to infect new cells, either in the same host or in someone new).

There is a critical difference between coronaviruses and flu.

The novel coronavirus genome is made of one long strand of genetic code.
This makes it an “unsegmented” virus—like a set of instructions that fit on a single page.

The flu virus has eight genomic segments, so its code fits on eight “pages.”
That’s not common for viruses, and it gives the flu a special ability.
Because the major parts of the flu virus are described on separate pages (segments) of its genome, when two different flu viruses infect the same cell, they can swap pages.

Imagine two people with eight-page reports fighting over a copy machine.
In the tussle, some copies might turn out to have a mix of pages from two different reports.
This page-swapping process, where viruses exchange parts of their genome, is called reassortment.

The flu can change rapidly when multiple strains pass through the same host.
But coronavirus, as a one-page report, tends to stay together,
and while coronaviruses can swap sections

  • in a process known as recombination - it is difficult to achieve and thus rare. (Imagine two pages ripping in the same way and swapping pieces that get glued together again.)

Coronavirus does mutate.
.....
A vaccine is like a description of a wanted criminal:
it tells your immune cells whom to look out for.

So long as the suspect’s appearance doesn’t change too much, then the vaccine works.
....
But once we’ve developed a vaccine for this strain

  • and once we’ve all taken it - we’ll have herd immunity to it.

That immunity may fade as our immune system forgets the picture that the vaccine showed it,
but we can solve that by getting booster shots of the same Covid-19 vaccine periodically.

What we don’t have to worry about is the virus rapidly mutating away from our vaccines as fast as flu can,
because owing to its simplicity, it can’t pull off the flu’s face-swapping tricks.

QuestionMarkNow · 06/04/2020 17:53

Yay vaccinations..... Hmm

Before accepting any medication, including vaccines of any type, I would to see the research knowing that 1- they work. 2- they are safe.
Seeing that drugs (taken as per prescription) is the 3rd killer in the US, I don’t think this is asking for too much.

I’m very worried about a push to accept ANYTHING wo proper validation in the name of ‘saving people’

ListeningQuietly · 06/04/2020 17:56

Seeing that drugs (taken as per prescription) is the 3rd killer in the US, I don’t think this is asking for too much.
Not sure what the opiate/painkiller epidemic has to do with vaccinations .....

Singasonga · 06/04/2020 17:59

Interesting - and hopeful - outsider's-perspective-on-Britain article from Tom McTague in The Atlantic. I've posted his articles before, the previous one being a pretty blistering take-down of the British government's COVID response to date. His Brexit coverage was very, very neutral, so he can't be accused of being part of the UK culture war.

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/04/britain-boris-johnson-queen-coronavirus-covid19/609520/

FrankieStein402 · 06/04/2020 18:02

Pfeffel working from hospital bed
Raab hasn't spoken to him since saturday

If raab is the fallback how's that work then?

prettybird · 06/04/2020 18:05

We got extra loo paper our letter from BJ today. What a lovely birthday present Wink

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 18:31

Any COVID vaccination would go through the standard testing process
It won't be compulsory in Western countries

  • although I wonder if some employers or even schools might want a vaccination certificate in those countries where the death toll has been very high
DGRossetti · 06/04/2020 19:00

What we don’t have to worry about is the virus rapidly mutating away from our vaccines as fast as flu can, because owing to its simplicity, it can’t pull off the flu’s face-swapping tricks.

Hmm

Not quite sure what the metric for "simplicity" is ? Since one of the ongoing mysteries of genetics is that the number of genes in an organism bears no resemblance to it's "complexity". Humans having far fewer genes than cauliflowers, from memory.

Lucygoeswalkies · 06/04/2020 19:17

Long time lurker - occasional poster.

All seems very quiet on the Professor Chris Whitty front.

TheMShip · 06/04/2020 19:24

Since one of the ongoing mysteries of genetics is that the number of genes in an organism bears no resemblance to it's "complexity". Humans having far fewer genes than cauliflowers, from memory.

Plants have crazy genomes, it's true, but you're being reductionist here DGR, and while I know it's just a bit of black humour, please, listen to the experts on genetics. SARS-COV2 and its sister coronaviruses are simpler than influenza. There are NO alternate strains of COVID19 as defined by virologists.

mrslaughan · 06/04/2020 20:04

Chris Whitty - today an announcement that he is out of isolation...... though that maybe along the lines that BJ is running country, but hasn't spoke. To any of his Cabinet

titchy · 06/04/2020 20:06

CW was at the briefing today Confused

ListeningQuietly · 06/04/2020 20:09

Chris Whitty was standing next to Raab at the press conference this afternoon .....

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 20:14

FDA Union: Why are some in government wasting time briefing against the civil service?

(A: to shift the blame, obviously !)

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-government-anonymous-briefing-civil-service

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 20:16

Maybe for a run of Grayling-like fiascos like this ?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/06/what-are-the-uks-options-for-exiting-the-coronavirus-lockdown

The government has ordered 17.5m antibody home-testing kits, but none have yet proved reliable.

Some senior scientists say the tests may pick up only halff^ of those who have had the virus,

yoikes · 06/04/2020 20:18

Boris in ICU Sad

LoonvanBoon · 06/04/2020 20:18

Robert Peston is reporting that BJ has been moved to ICU. Not on the Guardian website yet but Peston claims BJ is conscious and Raab has been formally asked to deputise.

mathanxiety · 06/04/2020 20:20

BBC now reporting the same.

ICouldHaveBeenAContender · 06/04/2020 20:21

I don't like him one bit, but this is a shock and a worry.

mrslaughan · 06/04/2020 20:22

Sweet Jesus....