Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

I have now just read that Johnson is working on Govt papers from his hospital bed. Sorry, if he's well enough to work, he doesn't need a hospital bed. So which is true and which is spin?

And Professor Putin, eminent historian, says Poland started WW2:

foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/21/vladimir-putin-wants-to-rewrite-the-history-of-world-war-ii/

I have now just read that Johnson is working on Govt papers from his hospital bed.

Fucking liars if he isn't. Fucking bed-blocker if he is.

It's a longstanding debate. Viruses may be "alive" but they are not "a life."

Are they even of this planet ?

GPs already getting swamped with demands for antibiotics, which will be indulged in numerous other countries where medicine is a consumer good, so paving the way for the Big One that will make Covid19 seem like an attack of the sniffles.

Antibiotic resistance has little to do with viral epidemics - unless their scrabble score is relevant ?

That's the point. Antibiotics are nothing whatever to do with viruses, but in places like India and the USA, they chuck them around like air freshener and there will be an accounting when the resistance builds.

That's the point. Antibiotics are nothing whatever to do with viruses, but in places like India and the USA, they chuck them around like air freshener and there will be an accounting when the resistance builds.

I know. But if the next pandemic is viral (and there's no reason to suggest it won't be) then it's an irrelevance that the global population are resistant to antibiotics in that respect.

Admittedly antibiotic resistance isn't a great look to be rocking in the wake of a viral pandemic that will make weakened surviving patients more susceptible to bacterial infection.

I'll leave this diversion here ... well worth a skim through.

Doncaster Council take a novel approach to explaining Coronavirus

twitter.com/MyDoncaster/status/1247083713428631553

The Big One that is going to take out a fair chunk of humanity's overpopulation of the planet, aka Gaia's Revenge, may be viral or bacillus, but either way it will matter. Lots of the COVID19 deaths are from pneumonia.

Anyway look forward to it, ten years, fifty years, three hundred years, it's coming.

The Big One that is going to take out a fair chunk of humanity's overpopulation of the planet, aka Gaia's Revenge, may be viral or bacillus, but either way it will matter. Lots of the COVID19 deaths are from pneumonia.

Nature has a raft of tools at it's fingertips - most of which we probably haven't the faintest idea of.

Overpopulation may be more directly dealt with by reducing the fecundity of H. sapiens. We already know that stress and malnutrition have that effect anyway.

I'm guessing our genes have the stars in mind ...

A propos of not much, has the MN app changed the order of the "bookmark/share/report" options?

I regularly use bookmarks on these threads as we do go on a bit and suddenly I'm having regularly to cancel a "report" option (which I rarely use), which is now the first you come across when you slide "open" the options and have try again to get to the Bookmark option, which is now the 3rd of the three options. I'm sure it used to be the first option and therefore really easy to use.

So there are some advantages to being in the EU...

EU clears 50 billion pound UK 'umbrella' scheme to support economy

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission said on Monday it had approved a 50 billion pound British “umbrella” scheme to support companies affected by coronavirus outbreak.
The approval is in line with modified EU rules allowing a temporary and limited amount of aid to businesses facing a sudden shortage of liquidity. The British aid would take the form of grants, equity injections, tax advantages and loans.
Britain left the European Union at the end of January, but continues to be subject to EU rules for a transition period set to last until the end of 2020.
With the coronavirus lockdown ravaging European economies, the bloc has stepped up calls for London to extend that time to allow the sides to agree on a new trade partnership after talks came to a virtual halt as capitals switched focus to fighting the pandemic.
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who has previously repeatedly ruled out such a possibility, was in hospital in London for tests on Monday suffering persistent coronavirus symptoms.

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-eu/eu-clears-50-billion-pound-uk-umbrella-scheme-to-support-economy-idUKKBN21O0T3

Good to see Ed Miliband in shadow cabinet (BEIS).

prettybird no idea but I just received an email from MN saying somebody had posted on this thread, which I don't remember ever seeing before. I bookmark with my browser anyway so nothing to do with that.

Is it just me are are the UK suspiciously late releasing figures ? Just as it seems FCO advice against travel is extended indefinitely ?

I believe the figures are out today. They are in the 400s because the UK doesn't work weekends. Obviously lots of people talking about green shoots until Wednesday as they have for the last couple of weeks...

Debenhams going into administration

Hester they make it sound as if BoZo wasn't the one to agree to the EU funds?

No idea about bookmarks - probably should do though!

I thought we all agreed upthread, or on the last, that the figures are not true daily amounts but can take a week to be "processed" and even then, they are only of cases bad enough to be in hospital (or VIP's rich people who can get their own tests done)

Debenhams going into administration

In normal times that would drive an uptick for John Lewis (and maybe M&S) and allow journalists to run their "high street revival stories" ...

Ever since I saw a poster on MN describe going through Debenhams as akin to a walk through a school jumble sale, I knew their days were numbered. It was excruciatingly accurate.

DW and I will allow ourselves a moment of sentiment - it was Debenhams that we entrusted our wedding list to.

Long after we are dust, historians might look at these few weeks as the moment the notion of remote shopping really cemented themselves into the nation.

I thought we all agreed upthread, or on the last, that the figures are not true daily amounts but can take a week to be "processed" and even then, they are only of cases bad enough to be in hospital (or VIP's rich people who can get their own tests done)

Irrespective of the accuracy of the figures (bearing in mind the international views of countries that "experiment" with different numbers to release) it's more the timing (checks this second) ..

usually by now www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries has been updated ...

Finland is interesting - seems they must have a post mortem cure?

I see another gleeful eugenics thread has popped up hopefully asking when lockdown will end and questioning when "the economists must take over" - apparently fuelled by IDS [vomit emoticon]

I see another gleeful eugenics thread has popped up hopefully asking when lockdown will end

taking a break from "5G causes corona" I imagine.

I see cath kidston is going under too...

Keep your eye on the likes of fatface, joules, white company...

I see cath kidston is going under too.. .[] Keep your eye on the likes of fatface, joules, white company...

What usually happens (these are not usual times) is the demise of one leads to an increase in trade for those left, which a canny conman/investor will use to prove to the "market" that there is a future in and tap them for more cash.

Meanwhile, the underlying decay continues, and eventually the next one goes ...

rinse and repeat.

The repeated "surges" in Newfoundland cod stocks are a good comparator. Egged on by rather dim "scientists", greedy fishermen pointed to increased catches as "proof" that stocks were recovering.

There is currently no Newfoundland fishing industry. Not will there be for a very long time ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_northwest_cod_fishery

The IDS infection flares up again:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-boris-johnson-hospital-queen-speech-cases/?lisource=LI&lii_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Boris Johnson still makes the "final decision on anything of major importance," says IDS

Speaking to the BBC, the former Conservative leader said that the Prime Minister may have developed a bacterial infection after contracting coronavirus.

However, he said:
"I think Boris Johnson is the kind of person who will admit he has made a mistake"^< lockdown ? >

and that if he felt unable to do the job, both he and his ministers would admit that to each other."