Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

Viruses aren't alive, they can only replicate in a host.

Weird critters aren't they. You can see why they attracted computer nerds (like me) way back when.

And killing the host is OK as long as the host remains well enough to create copies of the virus and spread them for a period of time before dying.

A high density of potential hosts means the virus has no evolutionary imperative to keep the host alive for very long (settling down as farmers was not a great move for humans in terms of diseases). But we return to the complexities of quorum sensing and quite how that works for C-19.

Nauticant on another thread kindly gave a link to the R4 program on Gender and response to viruses, which works for me in Germany:

The Gender Gap

I am just annoyed how the media are reporting Robert Jenrick saying that Johnson is still in charge. If he was ill enough for an emergency admission last night, he shouldn't be doing anything except listening to his doctors and nurses and saving his strength for getting better.

I would much rather have someone fit and well in charge.

Thank you BCF - a friend asked if I had heard this this morning.

I am just annoyed how the media are reporting Robert Jenrick saying that Johnson is still in charge. If he was ill enough for an emergency admission last night, he shouldn't be doing anything except listening to his doctors and nurses and saving his strength for getting better. I would much rather have someone fit and well in charge.

Maybe he's been assessed by Capita ?

Maybe he's been assessed by Capita ?

I appreciate what everyone is saying about the power vacuum at the top, but can we say, hand on heart, there is such a thing as a fit and well Minister available? Because anyone close enough to wield power would be part of the decision making already and therefore exposed to infection.

I would happily lay bets most of the front bench have been taking their temperatures and checking for symptoms this weekend.

Didn't Raab have it ?
Might be why he is still the stand-in, even though he was originally named well before the crisis

And Hancock of course would be better than Raab - almost anyone would -
but we probably need the Health Sec to stay there and be 100% occupied with the health side of CV
whiereas a PM must plan for the economy as well,
not to mention all the other non-CV issues that haven't gone away

Nadine Dorries may have been the original Typhoid Mary for the govt,
but oh gawd - let's not go there

Don't see how immunity certificates can work - how do you tell who's got one, plus any number of fraud opportunities - market in fake certificates will explode.

Don't see how immunity certificates can work

Add a few million quid to the idea.

Now can you see ?

It's a longstanding debate. Viruses may be "alive" but they are not "a life."

GPs already getting swamped with demands for antibiotics, which will be indulged in numerous other countries where medicine is a consumer good, so paving the way for the Big One that will make Covid19 seem like an attack of the sniffles.

now can you see
:)

Actually I could envisage a reasonably secure mobile based certificate - eg photo digitally signed and tied to the sim or simply something implemented via the Google et al authenticator, you access the cert site by an authenticated link to prove you have a valid cert - but there will always be an approach that gets around it/fools the majority.

Now you just know that any 'Immunity Certificate' is going to be the new disabled blue badge; stolen, counterfeited and misused beyond all credibility.

It's the people wanting to get infected that worry me. That herd immunity idea they are now pretending they never had really took hold. It will be hideous if that becomes the next 'chickenpox parties' fashion We have a sizeable percentage off dd's class who's parents "decided not to vaccinate" and that is the kind of thing they might get caught up in.

People will get chipped, like your pet is. Simples.

The messaging is terrible - are we all expected to keep working after being admitted to hospital?

Nothing about dogs to date.

If no-one else has mentioned, there was news coverage of a little yappy dog (?Pomeranian) in Hong Kong catching it from its infected owner and advice not to kiss your pets. 🤢

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8134865/Second-dog-tests-positive-coronavirus-Hong-Kong.html

It started with a bat, then spread to a cat got picked up by a twat - let's hope it doesn't mutate to a rat .....

It started with a bat, then spread to a cat got picked up by a twat - let's hope it doesn't mutate to a rat .....

It's looking less and less like the Chinese started this and more and more like Dr. Zeuss ...

The whole idea has been completely taken out of context
and those desperate to get out of lockdown keep grabbing for it

In the original German scheme, as I posted, it was never intended to be rolled out across the population
It was just to find which health workers could be safely put on the fron line and who needed to be withdrawn
as well as whether some people in high risk groups needed to continue complete isolation

Plus of course repeatedly testing that group of 100,000 to see what proportion of the population was becoming immune
and hence help decide on degree and timing of lockdowns etc

I see our Russian friends are reporting that BJ is on a ventilator:

ria.ru/20200406/1569611571.html

Why we didn't pull the plug on RT after Salisbury is a mystery. Not doing so now would seem to be wildly irresponsible.

More relevant is maybe this FT geek summary last night:

John Burn-Murdochh@jburnmurdoch*

NEW: Sun 5 April update of coronavirus trajectories

Daily new deaths:
• US now recording more daily deaths than any country in the world since outbreaks began
• UK still on similar path to Italy, suggesting ~2 weeks from peak daily deaths

"I see our Russian friends are reporting that BJ is on a ventilator:"

and Queenie gave a rather sprightly performance for someone alleged to be dead

I see our Russian friends are reporting that BJ is on a ventilator:

In between stirring up the 5G morons, I imagine. Must be a busy time for them ....

and Queenie gave a rather sprightly performance for someone alleged to be dead

I would be amazed if "the royal family are all lizards" isn't trending right now ...