Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

DrBlackbird Gove used to advocate hard Brexit, but reportedly had a wakeup call about the consequences when in charge of DEFRA

More importantly, he - like the entire Cabinet - was able to adopt positively Corbynite policies when it came to this real emergency

Raab is probably still a hardline Brexiter, because he is as stupid & ideological as DD, who sees this crisis as providing the opportunity to hide the effects of a WTO Brexit

Also, I'm not sure how much Gove ever wanted Brexit other than as a means to another political end

• and the changes he wanted to bring about may no longer be possible during the deep recession / depression

I was sneezed on by a dog when out for a walk. Very annoying.

Btw, there was a news item about a few dogs in Hong Kong testing positive for CV-19...

And truly horrific stories from China.

I know it's probably controversial. And not really the stiff upper lip schtick some people crave. But a disease that seems to be at home in 3 confirmed species as well as humans isn't something you should be fucking around with. It really isn't. Dogs, cats and tigers are relatively easy to deal with. But if it emerged that rodents could pick up and spread C-19, we could really be in shit creek.

I was sneezed on by a dog when out for a walk. Very annoying.

But isn't sneezing (in humans ?) not a symptom of C-19 ?

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-symptoms/

Notably, the COVID-19 infection rarely seems to cause a runny nose, sneezing, or sore throat (these symptoms have been observed in only about 5% of patients). Sore throat, sneezing, and stuffy nose are most often signs of a cold.

Not everything is a conspiracy
A lot of what happens is cockups -
or laziness and a wish to sensationalise wrt some journos running stories they don't bother to understand first

The decline in the standards of journalism, the drop in "journalistic IQ",
not all just increased political bias,
is a significant factor in the various messes the UK has landed in over the last few decades

They aren't holding politicians to account

Looks like cats may be more of a potential danger
(could this all be their plot to rule the world ?)

Sars-CoV-2 infections / transmissions in animals

https://www.vetion.de/fokus/Coronavirus--Sars-CoV-2/115/

The Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut (FLI) started a few weeks ago with infection studies in pigs, chickens, fruit bats and ferrets.

The first results have now been published, showing that fruit bats and ferrets are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection.

While ferrets can be infected efficiently with SARS-CoV-2, multiply the virus well and transmit it to other species,
there is no transmission in fruit bats.

Under the test conditions,
neither pigs nor chickens were found to be susceptible to infection
with SARS-CoV-2.

According to the current state of knowledge, they are not affected by the virus and therefore do not pose any potential risk to humans.

In the infection studies, SARS-CoV-2 was administered to the animals' noses to mimic the natural route of infection in humans via the nasopharynx.

Ferrets could therefore be an animal model that reflects human infection.

The complete evaluation of all test series will take some time, with the final results expected in early May.

There is also a preprint of a publication from China on March 30, 2020 for the journal nature,
in which infection attempts with SARS-CoV-2
were successful in cats, while the virus was only able to reproduce weakly in dogs.

In these tests, cats, like ferrets, excreted the infectious virus and were able to infect others by droplet infection.

I would like to know how likely it is that there are different strains already. It's torn through a huge chunk of the global population, which would seem like a good enough chance to mutate to me? I've no background in that area though.

On the subject of immunity certificates, I can't deny I would love it if I could resume some semblance of normal activity. I've been stuck at home for a month now and still recovering from double pneumonia and deep deep exhaustion (99% certainty it was caused by covid). I've now lost 8kg and am starting to be mentally affected by the whole situation. Never went through anything similar in my life. Regaining a bit of freedom would mean the world right now. Sorry for being selfish... I'm just being human I think...

The whole XX confirming greater immunity is an interesting one not least in the validity of the self id debate but I do wonder if it's just that men don't self medicate (if my late dad or dh are anything to go by!) And then leave it too late to seek help?

I expect Foreign Exchanges are concerned that there will be a political vaccuum at the top

• well, that could describe Raab ! -

with BJ in charge / not in charge, Raab blundering about, ambitious Cabinet Ministers marking their place ....

Main concern is that vital decisions e.g. about lockdown may not be made on time

Even assuming the govt have been taking scientific advice, scientists in the civil service might still present options to choose from,
rather than tell the PM / acting bod of only one course to follow

BCF I'd like to have your optimism about Gove but will never forget or forgive what he did in his brief as Secretary of State for Education, fully aided and abetted by Cummings, or as co-covenor of the Vote Leave campaign.

I would like to know how likely it is that there are different strains already. It's torn through a huge chunk of the global population, which would seem like a good enough chance to mutate to me? I've no background in that area though.

One thing that is screaming by it's absence (unless it's being done in the dark) is any sense of an investigation into what this virus wants. It's lazy thinking to assume it's evolutionary game plan is just to try and take over the world. There could be some subtlety in that to bear fruit ?

Poulet Viruses nearly always mutate, but scientists have been saying that the COVID probably doesn't mutate as seriously as flu

Reports I've read is that immunity should broadly be for all strains, as would the vaccine be

If we want to worry about future problems, a world depression is quite enough to be going on with

Just seen Tugenhadt, best leader the Tory Party currently doesn't have, giving the WHO a kicking for sucking up to China, pretending Taiwan doesn't exist and propogating PRC propaganda in the absence of independent inspection.

Should be added that WHO is in hock to China because Trump refuses to pay his UN bills.

yoikes There does seem to be a biological reason / reasons, in addition to whatever effect riskier behaviour has

The whole XX confirming greater immunity is an interesting one not least in the validity of the self id debate but I do wonder if it's just that men don't self medicate (if my late dad or dh are anything to go by!) And then leave it too late to seek help?

No, it's a real distinction. Possibly (almost certainly) connected to protecting the foetus during pregnancy and immediately after birth in the expression of milk.

Just as an aside, if the impact and mortality of the virus appears to be more severe in eastern and indian populations, they are also more likely to be lactose intolerant - again a genetic thing.

Viruses just want to stay alive. So really, killing the host isn't a great result for it. Are you still thinking of that parasitic mind controller DGR? I think that was possibly around when the Leave campaign took over

Songs we are all in the same boat regarding lack of freedom.
Can you go for a walk which is allowed or are you not well enough yet?

"Tugenhadt, best leader the Tory Party currently doesn't have,"

Yep, he's long been my wish for next Tory leader
Clever, sane, sensible conservative .... no, I'm not optimistic he'll ever get in

There does seem to be a biological reason / reasons, in addition to whatever effect riskier behaviour has

Of course, coming up a s a species, human males have to be predisposed to danger, while females - especially mothers - the opposite. Part of our success as a species has been to mitigate danger with intelligence (I know ! I know ). Digging a pit for that auroch, rather than taking it on in open combat ...

Clever, sane, sensible conservative

Now do you see what you did, there?

Govey then Rishi, bet ya.

A couple of weeks ago Icelandic researchers had identified 40 strains of Covid - including one person infected with 2 strains who then subsequently infected people with only one of those strains.

Viruses just want to stay alive.

Not really. More accurate to say they "want" to spread their genes. So they could be quite happy to die if it's a cert that genes are spread in the process.

I had to read "The Selfish Gene" zillions of times to finally "get" (or believe I got) the point.

Are you still thinking of that parasitic mind controller DGR?

I can think of nothing else

I think that was possibly around when the Leave campaign took over

You may jest but there is series thought that human behaviour thus far has been driven by organisms that want the globe a bit warmer and are using us to achieve it.

Viruses aren't alive, they can only replicate in a host.

And killing the host is OK as long as the host remains well enough to create copies of the virus and spread them for a period of time before dying.

On the subject of strains there is a company that is sequencing different corona virus variants and publishing a bunch of stuff (nextstrain).

But the genetic variation is small and mutation appears slow enough to make a vaccine possible.