You got what you voted for..............

[RoisinD]

and still not happy. The sense of entitlement.

twitter.com/ColinBrowning14/status/1227906931450425344

There are very few apprenticeships for 16 year olds so the majority of apprentices will be losing out in their first year.

Of course then all taking a course l2/l3 Btec course at college will also have to have loss of earnings calculated by your parameters.

Another anecdote? Quelle surprise.

Why do u suggest that i need to move?

Why do u suggest that i need to move?

If being in the EU is better than being out of the EU and UK has left the EU, does that not necessitate a move to the EU? Germany is not far from the UK.

Forever colleague will start in a Munich next week on a fly in fly out contact. Direct flights from Manchester.

"You got what you voted for....." Erm....yeah....kind of the point of a democratic society

No. The point of a democratic society is that you get to vote at all, you almost certainly won't get what you voted for. I didn't, millions of others didn't. Brexiters probably won't, unless the simple fact of leaving the EU is all they wanted.

Brexit probably won't result in what those who voted for it wanted. There are far too many conflicting goals and reasons for it.

Seriously just stop with the 'just move' rhetoric, there are many reasons why this is not an option for people.

To flip it, if all the people who voted leave had just gone elsewhere 4/5 years ago we wouldn't be in this situation.

•But nothing has changed. Queue for immigration at Schiphol is often like this. We have always been non-Shenghen.

I know this, you know this, most people on this thread know this but Colin doesn’t. Colin thinks that because we left the EU everything changed overnight.

unless the simple fact of leaving the EU is all they wanted

Very possible. National pride.

To flip it, if all the people who voted leave had just gone elsewhere 4/5 years ago we wouldn't be in this situation

Leavers wanted the UK to leave the EU, not for themselves to leave the UK.

Seriously just stop with the 'just move' rhetoric, there are many reasons why this is not an option for people

If people are unhappy that the democratic vote of 2016 has been implemented there are two choices:

Do something about it such as;

• campaign for Bre-Entry; or,

• leave the UK to live in the EU

Put up and shut up.

Vote for Bre-Entry at the next election.

The EU27 may have something to say about that (assuming Bre-entry wins)

I know this, you know this, most people on this thread know this but Colin doesn’t. Colin thinks that because we left the EU everything changed overnight.

Roll on 31st January 2021

The EU27 may have something to say about that (assuming Bre-entry wins)

Correct. Even if a referendum produced a rejoin result there is no obligation for the EU to accept. Only takes one to say no.

Malylis, however, seems to think otherwise:

Precedent says there must be another referendum within 2 years.

Outcome of referendum will be to rejoin.

EU will accept UK’s application.

Roll on 31st January 2021

Thought the transition was till 31st December 2020?

Misrepresenting my point again mystery.

Can't you manage to get anything right?

He seems like a typical Brexshit voting arse.

There will be no red carpet treatment for British as we leave the EU. Why should there be? It will get worse as we get to the end of the transition period and then probably drop out with no ongoing deal at all.

But hey, blue passports and bendy bananas will be back. Woohoo!!

As a remain voter, I am now a rejoiner. But if we can get back in it is unlikely to be on the good terms we have had up to now. We might even have to join the Euro.

Track back through your posts and you will find the one about EU accepting UK application to rejoin.

For that to happen there must first be a referendum that produces a rejoin result.

Yes, I said the EU its self and member states have said that we were welcome to rejoin. You then did your usual thing of being unable to argue against that and made stuff up.

Again you make stuff up. Sadddd

You cited precedent for the length of time between referendums and I said you could also cite precedent between the first referendum and the time of joining.

@Topseyt

No deal is my forecast. Each of the existing 27 members will use Brexit to improve their own terms.

France and Germany will want the other EU members to see what happens when anyone dares to leave the EU

Spain will want Gibraltar

Ireland will want to say we are bigger than UK now

Eastern Europe members who are net receivers will want assurances that their freebies remain the same.

Some will want fishing to be on the agenda. Some will not be bothered about fishing.

Doesn’t sound like a harmonious collective pull together scenario at all.

A no deal means WTO kicks in. However, the US has scuppered WTO most favoured nation principle. Could be very damaging to Ireland if EU insists on a hard border to prevent sub standard goods passing from NI to ROI?

The really hilarious thing about this is that he actually CAN still use the EU queue till the end of December 😂

Yes, I said the EU its self and member states have said that we were welcome to rejoin

Contradicting other posts that UK contributions to the EU are a mere 5%. If UK is of no benefit to the EU why would they want UK back?

You cited precedent for the length of time between referendums and I said you could also cite precedent between the first referendum and the time of joining

Mine was consistent with DC statement that the referendum was a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Do you think 2 years is sufficient time for Brexit to be measured as being good or bad?

@badg3r

Went through the non EU line in Schiphol on 3 Feb and it took 12 minutes longer than the self service passport scanner on 31st January the Friday before.

12 minutes does not bother me at all.

However, the US has scuppered WTO most favoured nation principle. Could be very damaging to Ireland if EU insists on a hard border to prevent sub standard goods passing from NI to ROI?

Hasn't it been established that the border will be in the Irish sea between Britain and Ireland so as to protect the GFA.

Thought the transition was till 31st December 2020?

Leavers don’t let facts get in the way of a good argument.

If we're making predictions... I predict that the EU will maintain the ironclad united front WRT Brexit for... ever.

Gosh I think I post on MN a lot. But there are folk on MN who blow me away with their spare time to dedicate to this topic.

Hasn't it been established that the border will be in the Irish sea between Britain and Ireland so as to protect the GFA

For goods from UK yes, but what prevents goods arriving direct into NI from elsewhere?

You appear to be confusing points, again, the UK's net contribution is 5 percent of the total EU budget. You appear to think that the only benefit to the EU of the UK being a member is the membership fee.

What DC said isn't of any consequence, leavers love to cite his word as gospel but forget all the promises he made and didnt keep.

Was two years enough for joining be considered good or bad? We had one then.

You don't appear to have understood what no deal means for the border in Ireland.

The US has not scuppered the MFN principle, it has however scuppered the ability to make changes to schedules, we will be on the EU's WTO schedules if there is no deal.

The other stuff is mostly your own fantasy

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"What prevents goods arriving direct into N.I fron elsewhere

The same rules and restrictions as now?