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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:06

What is the fastest growing economy Mystery

Asia.

No I have a question:

How does the force of gravity affect world trade?. Continuing errors seem to think it does.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:07

Nothing to prevent people from critiquing those reasons either

But pointless.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 20:09

@MysteryTripAgain

Thought gravitational pull was the same no matter where you are in the planet?

So droll. 0/10. Must try harder.

EU has trade deals with about 70 countries. That leaves about 125 counties which they do not. Most deals have been rolled over.&

Why do you think some countries have trade deals and others don’t? What per centage of world trade is covered by your 70 countries and by the other 125?

And no, trade deals have not been “rolled over”. Most are up for grabs come 2021.

But please do explain how an “Australia type trade deal” will be so great for the UK.

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 20:14

That leaves about 125 counties which they do not.
No you muppet, because the EU is 27 countries
and the remainder include such trading giants as Bhutan and Kiribati and Lesotho ....

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:14

But please do explain how an “Australia type trade deal” will be so great for the UK.

Never said it would be.

But please explain how gravity effects trade.

What per centage of world trade is covered by your 70 countries and by the other 125?

Don’t know the figures, but are US, China and India not in the 125? Collectively they are over 40% of world population.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 20:15

@MysteryTripAgain

How does the force of gravity affect world trade?. Continuing errors seem to think it does

You really don’t understand how trade works, do you?

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:17

the remainder include such trading giants as Bhutan and Kiribati and Lesotho

You missed out; US, China and India which is over 40% of world population.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 20:17

@MysteryTripAgain

Don’t know the figures, but are US, China and India not in the 125? Collectively they are over 40% of world population

Do you think the UK doesn’t trade with these countries already?

Do you know how many agreements are already in place between the EU and the USA?

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:18

You really don’t understand how trade works, do you?

So explain how gravity affects trade.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:19

Do you think the UK doesn’t trade with these countries already?

They do, but not on FTA basis.

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 20:21

Thought gravitational pull was the same no matter where you are in the planet?

Then you thought wrong.

malylis · 11/02/2020 20:22

The gravity comment had me laughing into my tea.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 20:23

@MysteryTripAgain

Germany managed achieve exports worth €93 billion to China, all whilst being a member of the EU.

Who’d a thought it, eh?

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:26

The gravity comment had me laughing into my tea

Me too as same all over the World, bar a possible 0.7% variance due to density variations.

I note that nobody has explained how gravity does affect trade.

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 20:26

Knowledge of gravity is useful in civil engineering for building dams and tunnels etc.

I don't know if it has sufficient effect to cause a tunnel to collapse, but a tunnel or bridge collapse would affect trade in most places, depending on the population density.

malylis · 11/02/2020 20:27

This is getting funnier and funnier.

Oh dear Mystery, expert in trade eh?

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 20:27

MTA
I note that nobody has explained how gravity does affect trade.
Google is your friend
Smile

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:28

Germany managed achieve exports worth €93 billion to China, all whilst being a member of the EU

And China exports around the world without being a member of the EU.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:29

This is getting funnier and funnier

So explain how gravity affects trade. Your refusal to answer makes me think you don’t have an answer.?

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 20:29

@MysteryTripAgain

Gravity. Stop digging.

On the other hand, don’t. It’s very entertaining from someone whose ideology is based on trade.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:32

Gravity. Stop digging

Start answering the question would be better.

How does the earths gravitational pull affect trade.

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 20:34

Knowledge of gravity is useful in geology too. Which in turn is useful when considering mining or other activities which require digging into the earth.

One of the problems with the now paused electrification of Great Western was that they didn't fully appreciate the local geology, although I am not sure whether a gravity map would have had sufficient resolution to offer any assistance. Where is Brunel when you need him? He didn't have these problems.

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 20:35

MTA
For somebody who supposedly works around the world, your lack of understanding of the impact of gravity on trade
had better not get back to your bosses Grin

Do you never read the business press?
the FT, the Economist, the WSJ
because you were in the least bit literate on the subject you would understand the terminology

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 20:35

I have answered - it can affect civil engineering projects, which can be mighty expensive when they go wrong.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 20:35

No, no LQ, don’t spoil the fun of all us women being mansplained to about world trade.