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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 14:18

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AuldAlliance · 14/02/2020 14:23

MysteryTripAgain Thu 13-Feb-20 21:03:16
No, but Auld, LQ and Malylis seem to be. Killing time with more pointless attempts at;

The leave supporter is not 100% correct. Therefore Brexit must be cancelled.

Having trouble keeping up with your own spiel?

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 14:40

Or you have no accurate rebuttal

I still await yours for the Guardian article about long record of poor predictions. Also await explanation how an event that has no hindsight such as Brexit can be forecast with certainty, but the stock market which has 100s of years history can't be forecast.

The economics points you raise are rote learned, and poor

Apart from the 1531/2020 stock market, the rest are what you have previous acknowledged on other posts.

You don't actually understand what economists do

Research economic issues - easy. It's called google

Conduct surveys and collect data - easy

Analyze data using mathematical models, statistical techniques, and software - easy

Present research results in reports, tables, and charts - anyone who knows how to use exel can do that

Interpret and forecast market trends - and fail regularly

Advise businesses, governments, and individuals on economic topics - and do it badly according to the Guardian

Recommend solutions to economic problems - so as an economist what is the solution to reduce UK's trade deficit? Or is a defict not a problem?

Showing your ignorance even more

Nothing on the ballot paper about ingorance or bliss being a pre-qualification to vote. To my knowledge voting has two requirements:

Be over voting age

Make the effort to vote by whatever means are available.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 14:42

Having trouble keeping up with your own spiel?

No. Because other posters keep me informed.

Clavinova · 14/02/2020 14:48

Jason118
It seems the EU don't need much of a negotiating strategy.The holes in both our feet are helping them to great effect.

I wouldn't get too excited about London's demise ['Japanese law firm chooses Frankfurt over London'] - Japanese telecoms giant chose London as its global base;

"Japanese telecoms giant NTT has chosen London as the global base for its newly launched ICT services business, NTT Ltd."

"NTT–which stands for Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation and holds an incumbent position in Japan similar to that of BT in the UK–is forming the new firm by bringing together the capabilities of 28 separate global companies it currently holds–including NTT Communications, NTT Security, and integrator Dimension Data, into a single $11bn (£8.6bn) business with over 40,000 employees in 70 countries."

"NTT said it had considered a number of locations for its new headquarters before choosing London."

“It has many benefits, including a stable economy, wealth of skills and talent, diversity in population and thinking, strong infrastructure, schools and housing for global talent moving to the city,” said NTT president and chief executive Jun Sawada."

www.computerweekly.com/news/252466057/NTT-picks-London-for-newly-formed-global-business

malylis · 14/02/2020 14:50

I've given you the rebuttal on the guardian article several times, you just ignore it and ask again.

So economics is very easy?Yet you consistently make the most basic of errors when discussing all elements if it? Your use of any data you try to bring into debare shows that you definitely don't understand that nor models (gravity? hahah)

The Guardian article didn't even say that economists do their jobs badly.

See this is the problem you have, you don't actually understand much of the topics that you discuss (gravity? WTO?).

Would you really like to discuss why the UK has a trade deficit? You didn't understand that its not actually anything to do with the EU.

Clavinova · 14/02/2020 15:00

Multinational law firm Linklaters are optimistic - they signed a new lease yesterday - effective from 2026;

"Magic circle firm Linklaters has signed a lease for its new London headquarters, which will occupy 14 floors, have two roof terraces and be based just two minutes away from its current office."

"The firm is moving to 20 Ropemaker Street, a 27-storey stone building in Moorgate which is currently under construction, from One Silk Street.The building, which has a ‘self shading façade’ to minimise its energy consumption, will be the tallest stone building constructed in London since St Paul’s Cathedral.The lease is effective from 2026."

"Two roof terraces will be used as ‘outdoor rooms’ for employees to relax and and host meetings.There will be an auditorium on the first floor, a branded entrance and cyclists will have a dedicated bike entrance." - Cool!

www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/linklaters-signs-lease-for-new-london-hq/5103080.article

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 15:01

Would you really like to discuss why the UK has a trade deficit?

High level reason why UK has a defict with the EU is that it buys more from the EU than it sells to the EU.

Next step down is that UK at one time made many of the goods it now imports from the EU.

Reasons why UK shifted focus from manufacturing to services are numerous.

You didn't understand that its not actually anything to do with the EU

Never said it was the fault of the EU, but a disadvantage for the UK by being a member of the EU.

Off to Schiphol now.

HenHarrier · 14/02/2020 15:03

Off to Schiphol now.

#Oh Colin Wink

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 15:05

@Clavinova

Well done.

Clavinova · 14/02/2020 15:09

MysteryTripAgain
Smile

Off out - things to do.

HenHarrier · 14/02/2020 15:15

Why bother reproducing what is a essentially a press release?

Although I’m sure Linklaters are optimistic - lots of money to be made advising their clients on how to mitigate against Brexit at Magic Circle rates.

HannibalHayes · 14/02/2020 15:43

Not sure why our C&P artist decided to use that? Where they likely to leave the UK altogether?

Are the new offices bigger than their previous ones? Cheaper? All you've managed to prove is that they're newer!

Between her and the one who claims to be baiting people (is that allowed MN?), who clearly has even less understanding of, well, anything, the spamming of these boards shows just how worried Brexit HQ is.

HannibalHayes · 14/02/2020 16:26

I guess Moscow has finished for the day...

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 17:35

Maybe they went to see Kid Curry?

Jason118 · 14/02/2020 17:36

It seems a trait amongst Brexit supporters that 'things staying the same' in terms of companies not leaving is a demonstration of Brexit success. Companies not coming here and citing Brexit (even as one factor) are to be dismissed as using Brexit as an excuse, rather than a genuine reason. C and P any old shit as deflection seems to be the norm. As to engaging with imgarynastytripe, he doesn't understand anything really, just has a lot of time to exert his delusional influence on the thread. It's why I don't engage, too many squirrels, too little time.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 17:45

@Jason118

Just to be clear voting has two requirements:

Be over voting age

Make the effort to vote by whatever means are available

HenHarrier · 14/02/2020 17:47

Just to be clear voting has two requirements:

Three requirements, actually.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 17:48

Okay what’s the third?

HenHarrier · 14/02/2020 17:54

And that’s not counting (a) being a British or Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen (b) being resident in the UK (or has been in last 15 years) and (c) registered to vote.

So you tell me.

ListeningQuietly · 14/02/2020 18:06

Why does the UK being in the EU cause it to have a trade deficit?

How will leaving the EU give the UK a chance to become a net exporter?

HenHarrier · 14/02/2020 18:21

We can corner the market in unicorn exports?

Yaralie · 14/02/2020 19:51

Only if you beleave

AuldAlliance · 14/02/2020 20:44

So this person is now the chief legal adviser to the UK crown & gvmt.
She has said she wants to reduce the freedom of the judiciary.
No cause for concern there.
Maybe she doesn't like brooches.
Or people who don't toe the party line because/although they have been recruited as part of an independent branch of gvmt.

SB's appointment is no more cause for concern than if we had a PM who thought it'd be a spiffing [n.b. not spaffing] jape to build topping old bridges straddling 1m-ton munitions dumps, linking parts of the ripping old UK where weather conditions make any sea crossings hazardous and where, at the jolly old Scottish end at least, road access is so limited as to make the entire wheeze just plain piffling nonsense.

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