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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 18:48

@MysteryTripAgain

There will never be pre-screening of people before they vote

Sorry, who was advocating pre-screening of voters? Not me. Don’t think anyone else on this thread has said anything about this either.

National pride (2 fingers to the EU)

Does not persuade me of the level of critical thinking ability of anyone coming out with this kind of statement.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 18:59

In your own words. Nationalism and racism in a single sentence. How sweet

I think some will have voted leave on that basis. Nothing in the law that prevents them making their own decisions when voting.

malylis · 11/02/2020 19:03

Nothing to prevent people from critiquing those reasons either.

Still stupid, still racist.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 19:04

Sorry, who was advocating pre-screening of voters? Not me. Don’t think anyone else on this thread has said anything about this either

Jasjas made the suggestion long time ago on another thread. Can’t remember exact words, but along the lines that people should be sufficiently informed before they vote.

Does not persuade me of the level of critical thinking ability of anyone coming out with this kind of statement

Doesn’t mean that pride does not form part off the decision on how to vote.

Look at Mrs Thatchers rating before and after the Falklands war. Stormed the 1983 election with a 143 majority.

malylis · 11/02/2020 19:06

Doesn't mean that pride is a good reason either

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 19:06

@MysteryTripAgain

I think some will have voted leave on that basis. Nothing in the law that prevents them making their own decisions when voting

Nobody is arguing that voting on that basis is against the law.

But good to note that you can’t argue that it’s not “racist, stupid and ignorant” though.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 19:09

@MysteryTripAgain

Doesn’t mean that pride does not form part off the decision on how to vote.

I think you’re confusing pride and hubris.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 19:19

Doesn't mean that pride is a good reason either

For some pride is everything. I wouldn’t starve myself to death to make a point, but some have.

What is a good or bad reason is subjective.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 19:24

@MysteryTripAgain

Again - I think you’re confusing pride and hubris.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 19:27

But good to note that you can’t argue that it’s not “racist, stupid and ignorant” though

Never attempted to argue either way as not my reasons for supporting leave. All about trade for me.

Regardless of whether people voted on reasons which you consider to be stupid, ignorant or racist does not prevent people from voting on the basis of pride and immigration. Democracy is freedom of choice when voting.

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 19:29

The Thread Title is
The EU has no negotiating strategy
it is abundantly clear that the EU strategy is clear, coherent and sensible.

The UK strategy appears to mainly comprise
Look ! A Squirrel !

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 19:30

Hubris seems to be good word for those remain supports who know for certain what will happen in the future.

malylis · 11/02/2020 19:33

Except we continue to be right.

See the news today about border checks?

Democracy is also the right to critique, challenge and dissent. Perfectly valid to criticise people's reasons for voting.

Will you explain your "all about trade point " ?

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 19:34

@MysteryTripAgain

Never attempted to argue either way as not my reasons for supporting leave. All about trade for me.

But you’ve just championed “nationalism and pride” as key leave motivators?

All about trade for me

Great. Looking forward to an explanation as to how gravity can be discounted.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 19:38

@MysteryTripAgain

Hubris seems to be good word for those remain supports who know for certain what will happen in the future.

Really? Coming from someone championing “national pride” as a reason to leave the biggest trade bloc in the world?

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 19:42

Except we continue to be right

Wrong about the recession and job loses. Neither happened.

See the news today about border checks

Yes. Always going to be case as frictionless borders don’t exist anywhere in the world.

All about trade is that UK can now approach whoever they wish to make deals without going through the EU commission.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 19:45

@MysteryTripAgain

Yes. Always going to be case as frictionless borders don’t exist anywhere in the world

Unless you’re in the EU single market. Oops.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 19:46

Coming from someone championing “national pride” as a reason to leave the biggest trade bloc in the world

Not championing National pride, but stating that I think it was a reason why some will have voted leave.

EU is about 15% of World trade. That means the other 85% is outside the EU doesn’t it?

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 19:47

Unless you’re in the EU single market. Oops

Random checks are still carried out.

IvinghoeBeacon · 11/02/2020 19:47

Isn’t it interesting that “brexit is only two weeks old” is considered an answer to why no benefits have been seen yet, but not to why no downsides might yet have been felt

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 19:48

@MysteryTripAgain

EU is about 15% of World trade. That means the other 85% is outside the EU doesn’t it?

No. Because you’re ignoring gravity.

Plus the fact that 85% of UK trade is either directly with the EU or through EU PTAs. Do keep up, this is getting tiresome.

malylis · 11/02/2020 19:52

Mystery really doesn't understand that stat she keeps using.

EU, China, US make up 50 percent of global trade between them.

What is the fastest growing economy Mystery?

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 19:55

@MysteryTripAgain

Random checks are still carried out.

But if all goods and services circulating in the single market are legally required to conform to the same requirements then random checks are all that is required.

Outside the single market ... everything will need to be checked.

I think that’s just what the Govester told businesses yesterday.

Such fun.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:00

No. Because you’re ignoring gravity

Thought gravitational pull was the same no matter where you are in the planet?

Plus the fact that 85% of UK trade is either directly with the EU or through EU PTAs

EU has trade deals with about 70 countries. That leaves about 125 counties which they do not. Most deals have been rolled over.&

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:03

But if all goods and services circulating in the single market are legally required to conform to the same requirements then random checks are all that is required

Regardless of the rule of check, random or otherwise, it still equates to fact that there is no such thing as frictionless border control. I travel between UK and EU twice per week and still have to queue at the self service passport scanners