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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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HPFA · 09/02/2020 15:51

This reads like a parody - can only assume this is someone who doesn't believe a word of what they're saying but assumes it's what the readership wants to hear.

Just a few of the most obvious untruths - no expert believes that there are enormous gains in a US FTA (even apart from the obvious issues around food safety etc) and since when did the EU demand free movement as the price of the FTA? That would be necessary for full access to the Single Market but not for a basic Deal.

Catting · 09/02/2020 16:05

Italexit isn't a catchy name.

ItaLeave is!

MysteryTripAgain · 09/02/2020 16:10

I too think no deal is likely. Reasons are:

The 27 members will see Brexit as an opportunity to improve their own terms.

Spain will want Gibraltar.

France and Germany will be desperate to show the other members that leaving will make them worse off.

Ireland will want to say we are bigger than UK now.

Trump is a no deal advocate.

ragged · 09/02/2020 18:17

I didn't think EU ever panicked about anything.
The EU's strategy is laid out in the political declaration. Confused
It's rather a long document. Maybe not emotional enough for OP?

Mistigri · 09/02/2020 18:28

It's very easy to follow the development of EU strategy for the negations, by downloading the packs of slides available here:

ec.europa.eu/commission/publications_en

EU transparency puts the U.K. to shame here.

MysteryTripAgain · 09/02/2020 21:52

@Mistigri

Have UK not yet produced something similar to EU? Maybe UK needs to have their own website to record progress and what is being discussed during negotiations?

Mistigri · 10/02/2020 08:21

Surely someone with a keen - even obsessive - interest in Brexit would know whether the U.K. government has published negotiating strategy documents and where to find them? Hmm

The EU documents are at the link two posts below - there are 12 or 13 packs of slides so you need to go to page two to access all of them. They were published in mid January.

This is what transparency and diligent preparation look like (regardless of your opinion on the EU's approach, it's impossible to deny that it is transparent and diligent).

Theworldisfullofgs · 10/02/2020 12:01

I don't get it. You did believe it and it's patently not true.

frumpety · 10/02/2020 20:58

So 27 against 1 = 27 have no capability/leverage/power at all ?

That certainly is an interesting take on the situation. Smile

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 05:24

@frumpety

The 27 are not equal strength.

keyboardwarrior1 · 11/02/2020 07:13

@MysteryTripAgain

They may not all be of equal strength to UK. But collectively they are massively stronger. And they are playing as a team.

UK does over 50% of its trade with the EU.
No EU country (with the possible exception of Ireland) is that exposed to UK.

frumpety · 11/02/2020 07:17

Makes not the slightest bit of difference if they are equal 'strength' ( whatever that means ) , the fact is there are 27 of them and 1 of us, not sure even a fictional character like Jack Reacher has beaten those odds Wink

frumpety · 11/02/2020 07:18

Although it gives me a good excuse to re-read the books to check Grin

Danetobe · 11/02/2020 07:30

Brexit is a lose-lose on both sides. But at least the EU were clear about it from the start. History won't be kind to the Brexshitters.

PermanentTemporary · 11/02/2020 07:38

Right, I read it. I counted two facts. Barnier's statement that Gibraltar agreement must precede a trade deal and Truss' statement that negotiations with Australia etc will start in a few months. The rest is demotic fluff, and even those facts are about future possibilities,not actual events. Where is the reporting?

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 07:44

They may not all be of equal strength to UK. But collectively they are massively stronger. And they are playing as a team

Before UK left there were three countries that made up over 50% of the EU. France, Germany and the UK.

Do you think EU members such as those in Eastern Europe and Malta with its 400,000 population are big players?

The EU members that are net takers couldn't give a hoot about the negotiations as long as their free handouts are maintained. That means the net contributors have to stump up more.

No deal is my forecast as the 27 members will each have their own agendas and will not operate as one team.

France and Germany will be desperate to send a message to the EU which is;

Leave the club and this is what you get

Spain will want Gibraltar. Might even kick off a war?

Some EU members in Western Europe will want fishing rights and those in Eastern Europe will not be bothered.

The takers will want their free money to remain the same.

Does not sound like a harmonious pull together does it?

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 07:46

History won't be kind to the Brexshitters

Some remainers think that UK will apply to rejoin in two years and EU will accept.

bellinisurge · 11/02/2020 07:58

The good news is that we'll be getting those trade barriers that Gove swore we wouldn't get and that no one wanted.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 08:53

Yes. It's not a good start.

Brexit not yet two weeks old, but HS2 looks to be going head and frictionless borders now confirmed to be impossible.

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 09:18

Which Remainers Mystery? Highlight the post where they say this, to prove that you haven't made it up.

How long before the other Leavers pile in and say "no one said there would be frictionless borders".

I wonder when the Heathrow runway decision will be decided? Will Johnson conveniently find he has another engagement?

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 09:25

Which Remainers Mystery? Highlight the post where they say this, to prove that you haven't made it up

Our friend Malylis thinks that as there was a referendum in 1975, 2 years after joining the EU, there is precendent for a referendum 2 years after leaving. Apparently EU has said they will accept UK's application?

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 09:35

So you can't actually provide a post which says "I think we will rejoin in two years." I thought as much.

bellinisurge · 11/02/2020 09:51

"Remainers say" sounds an awful lot like Jeremy Clarkson on old Top Gear introducing the Stig "Some say ...." followed by comic ridiculousness

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 09:59

So you can't actually provide a post which says "I think we will rejoin in two years." I thought as much

Look on the thread

Is the EU fallinag apart...?

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 10:22

On this thread there is neither such a post, nor a poster called malylis.

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