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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:40

@Peregrina

Understand how gravity impacts mining works, but not trade.

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 20:42

Continuity
Fear not
its excellent that we have discovered the astroturfers event horizon
as their knowledge is clearly nebulous

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:45

terminology

Incorrect use of terminology. Gravity acts vertical towards centre of earth. Horizontal pull is negligible in comparison as the masses are not big enough. Also gravity doesn’t go around curves.

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 20:47

Mining isn't trade then? They just pull stuff out of the ground for fun do they? They don't try to utilise the products they extract and sell them on to the appropriate market?

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 20:49

@MysteryTripAgain

I’m a civil engineer but surprisingly enough I can understand economics too.

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 20:51

Mystery
You need to read up more of the difference between
BIG G
and little g
and then all will become clear under the inverse square law
Feynmann diagrams are not really relevant though pretty
but Einsteins papers explain the flap of a butterfly's wing quite well

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:51

@peregrina

No mining left in the UK as could compete on costs. Also UK government at the time wanted to wreck the unions.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 20:56

@LQ

From physics I remember that G was the gravitational constant between masses. g was the symbol for the earths gravity. Pull was proportional to the inverse of distance squared.

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 20:56

Was I talking about UK mining? But even there you are still wrong. Do we not need to trade with other countries using the products obtained from mining?

I think we should be told. I thought stuff just worked its way into goods by magic, you know.

Mistigri · 11/02/2020 20:56

The U.K. still has quite a significant extractive industry actually.

For the sake of confused lurkers, gravity has a very specific meaning in economics/international trade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitymodelloftrade

malylis · 11/02/2020 20:58

Tee hee hee

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 20:59

@MysteryTripAgain

From physics I remember that G was the gravitational constant between masses. g was the symbol for the earths gravity. Pull was proportional to the inverse of distance squared.

It’s all about trade.

Keep digging.

Such fun.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 21:00

I’m a civil engineer but surprisingly enough I can understand economics too

Don’t really see the relevance, but if you are happy being a civil engineer good for you.

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 21:02

No mining left in the UK as could compete on costs.
According to the BGS there are over 2000 active mines and quarries in the UK
please tell me you don't work in the extractive industries when you are in Oz

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 21:03

Probably worked in an industry with a high Bullshit quotient.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 21:06

No mining left in the UK as could compete on costs

Was referring to coal mining.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 21:06

@MysteryTripAgain

Well, I was just a civil engineer. I consult to world wide extractive industries now.

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 21:08

Was referring to coal mining.
r..i..g..h..t
or rather
still wrong

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 21:11

@Mistigri

Thanks for the link. Too much to read at moment. However, at first glance I am not sure the gravity model works for the UK as 80% of economy is services which can be done by telecom and internet. So where is the linear link between cost and distance?

Very different of course for manufacturing industry trying to ship around the world.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 21:12

I consult to world wide extractive industries now

Does that include oil and gas?

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 21:12

I am pretty sure that we still mine coal in the UK. Open cast mining is still mining.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 21:13

Tee hee hee

How does the gravity model measure national pride and immigration?

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 21:14

80% of economy is services which can be done by telecom and internet
one cannot eat services

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 21:14

I am pretty sure that we still mine coal in the UK. Open cast mining is still mining

Nowhere near what it used to be.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 21:15

one cannot eat services

Who said you could? Doesn’t change that UK economy is 80% service based.

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