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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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netstaller · 13/02/2020 21:50

Take anything from the Torygraph with a pinch of salt. It's a paper used to forward its owner's propaganda to other rich, white males. It used to employ boris and most of its staff are echo chambers of each other.

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 21:52

@HenHarrier

Are there not a greater number of WTO members than EU members? Find it hard to believe that EU has control over everything taking into account they are 15% of world trade.

malylis · 13/02/2020 21:52

Again, I've told you that when you only consider the cost of something and not the benefits then you don't get an accurate analysis.

What is the size of our trade deficit with the EU compared to the value of over all trade with the EU (including our capital account surplus) to the economy?

malylis · 13/02/2020 21:53

Hahaha this is funny again.

Mystery really doesn't understand.

HenHarrier · 13/02/2020 21:54

750 agreements when there is less than 200 countries in the World?

And you voted because of “trade”?

May the Lord protect me from utter fuckwits.

HenHarrier · 13/02/2020 21:58

Are there not a greater number of WTO members than EU members? Find it hard to believe that EU has control over everything taking into account they are 15% of world trade.

Have you no idea how much of UK trade is with the EU directly or under all those EU trade agreements?

And you seriously want people to give you a pat on the back because you voted Leave “for trade”?

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 21:59

Still waiting for someone to explain how money flowing out exceeds money flowing in is a benefit.
So should the UK stop buying from China?
Would that make it all better ?

Jason118 · 13/02/2020 21:59

Our friends real name is Gary. As in, I'm Gary Nasty Tripe. It's my favourite anagram of the day.Grin

Clavinova · 13/02/2020 22:06

Research Briefing on this Sep/Oct 2019;

"A report in the Financial Times in May 2017 suggested that there were 759 separate EU international agreements with potential relevance to Britain.These cover trade, regulatory co-operation, fisheries, agriculture, nuclear co-operation and transport co-operation (including aviation). The agreements involve 168 other countries."

"The Government has indicated that such high figures are misleading, and that not all of the treaties would require action to maintain continuity following Brexit. Some of these treaties have been superseded, are redundant or no longer relevant to the UK, and there are also multiple agreements that could be understood as one agreement. In some cases, the UK has signed agreements in its own right and therefore does not need new agreements."

"In January 2019, Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay said that in the event of the UK leaving the EU with no deal, the Government’s assessment was that about 1,000 EU treaties were relevant, but this slipped down to under 400 with a direct impact, and a much lower number “in the tens” of more material issue from exit day."

"In March 2019, the Government released a list of 158 international agreements (later reduced to 157) across different policy areas, that it is seeking in order to replace current arrangements should the UK leave the EU without a deal. It also referred to an unspecified number of additional agreements in certain policy areas."

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8370

HenHarrier · 13/02/2020 22:07

Still waiting for someone to explain how money flowing out exceeds money flowing in is a benefit

I pay to play golf at my local club. I don’t get any money back but I’m so fucking happy to par the 2nd that I’ll take that as an intangible benefit.

malylis · 13/02/2020 22:09

Ugh c and p again, which ends with a point that means that actually there are a lot more agreements that the government isn't referencing.

No critical thinking just blind regurgitation.

HenHarrier · 13/02/2020 22:10

Hey Clav you can use your research briefing to explain that the EU has around 100 agreements with the US to give lie to all the Brexit MPs telling the electorate that the UK traded with the US on WTO only.

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 22:13

that I’ll take that as an intangible benefit

Intangible benefits is why leave won the vote. The intangibles were;

National Pride - 2 finger to the EU (France and Germany in particular)

Immigration - its our country go away

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 22:17

I buy my electronics from the Foxconn factory
so that money flows out of the UK
to China, the USA and numerous tax havens
should we try to manufacture all electronics here in the UK ?

Jason118 · 13/02/2020 22:17

Or to paraphrase (again), racism.

HenHarrier · 13/02/2020 22:17

Nationalism and racism - woohoo.

You must be so proud.

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 22:19

MTA
Immigration - its our country go away
IIRC you said your ex wife is an immigrant to this country.
Can we send her back whence she came or to live with you again ?

Clavinova · 13/02/2020 22:22

I pay to play golf at my local club

Most golf clubs are quite expensive to join and they have a dress code - to keep out the riff-raff. Grin

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 22:23

@malylis

There are about 200K people in UK in the car manufacturing sector. Possible that Brexit and WTO result in 200K job losses.

Policies of the greatest PM the UK has ever had (Mrs Thatcher) resulted in 400K plus miners losing their jobs.

However, UK as a nation did not go bankrupt as a result thereof. Lots of sympathy for anyone who loses their job for whatever reason, but the potential loss of 200K jobs in car industry is not reason to say to 17.4 million their vote doesn’t count.

HenHarrier · 13/02/2020 22:26

They do indeed - but us riff-raff can pay to play as long as we don’t wear tracky bottoms or jeans.

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 22:27

IIRC you said your ex wife is an immigrant to this country

Correct. Benefits she receives from UK government (even though she has never paid any UK taxes) exceed my fathers NHS pension even though he worked in NHS for over 30 years.

Hence the reason I think many voted leave on the basis of uncontrolled immigration.

HenHarrier · 13/02/2020 22:32

There are about 200K people in UK in the car manufacturing sector.

Don’t think so.

With some 168,000 people employed directly in manufacturing and in excess of 823,000 across the wider automotive industry, it accounts for 14.4% of total UK export of goods, worth £44 billion, and invests £3.75 billion each year in automotive R&D.

www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/uk-automotive/

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 22:40

@hen

Less than the NUM losses under labour and conservatives during 70s and 80s and UK did not go bankrupt.

malylis · 13/02/2020 22:46

That's not even considering the multiplier of what those job losses will bring.

Nobody said the votes didn't count. You can critique the reasons though.

Immigration was never uncontrolled and EU migrants are disproportionately under represented on the claimant count and other benefits claimant counts.

You seem to have veered away from our initial discussion here back to repeating points from previous threads.

HenHarrier · 13/02/2020 22:47

It’s 2020, not 40 or 50 years ago.

I remember the 1970s power cuts and the 1980s miners strikes. Not a place that the UK should revisit.

Particularly since this will be completely self inflicted by those that lost out back then.

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