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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 12:09

David Cameron bears sole responsibility for that

Remainer arrogance all the way from DC.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 12:15

None of this silly nonsense of Cameron saying that he would implement the result, when he should have said that he would ask Parliament to examine the possibility of implementing the result

Of all the arrogant remainers in the UK, DC is top of the list.

Second in Tony Blair who said people don't undertand the complexities of the EU. He seemed to forget there was a referendum in 1975 that wasn't considered to be too complicated for people to vote on.

malylis · 14/02/2020 12:25

The debate in 1975 was better informed.

malylis · 14/02/2020 12:28

The Honda press release was backtracking on what senior Honda executives had said before.

Again your comment about the tech and economies of scale shows how ignorant you are.

You are blatantly making up your "friend" who moved to Japan from Washington. Its sad.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 12:49

The debate in 1975 was better informed

Subjective comment.

More importantly it is irrelevant as EU changed massively since 1975.

In 1975 there were only 9 members and all from Western Europe. Interestingly Norway considered joining at the same time as UK, but their voters said no. Bet they are glad to the bottom of their hearts as standard of living in Norway is vastly higher than that of the UK.

By time 2016 came around the EU had 28 members after the huge expansion into Eastern Europe as many FSU were allowed to join. There lies the EU's downfall.

Western EU members are subsidizing Eastern EU members. The exception being Ireland who has been a member since 1973, but only became a net contributor in 2014.

UK used to have a trade surplus with the EU, but since 1999 it has had an ever increasing trade deficit even though it is the third largest contributor to the EU pot. So it is a lose lose position for the UK.

Both leave and remain campaign presented their positions in the run up to the election. People listened to both side and decided that there more advanatges of leaving the EU than disadvanatges. So the result was leave.

Nothing whatsover to prevent people from changing their minds and voting differently in the future. However, Brexit needs to be given a reasonable time to take effect.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 12:53

The Honda press release was backtracking on what senior Honda executives had said before

Evidence?

Again your comment about the tech and economies of scale shows how ignorant you are

Never mentioned economies of scale, but tech only. Anyway thought economies of scale was the old school approach and the modern approach is JIT?

You are blatantly making up your "friend" who moved to Japan from Washington. Its sad

He has not moved yet.

HenHarrier · 14/02/2020 13:07

Bet they are glad to the bottom of their hearts as standard of living in Norway is vastly higher than that of the UK

Because Norway practises free market socialism, with a significantly smaller population that is much more willing to pay high levels of tax in return for a high level of social benefit, in line with janteloven.

Clavinova · 14/02/2020 13:12

From the Liberal Party manifesto 1974!

"We also condemn the Conservative Government for abdicating their great opportunity to develop the Community in a democratic and outward-looking manner in favour of meek compliance with the interests of the French Government.The present Common Market structure is not what we voted for"...

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 13:15

Because Norway practises free market socialism, with a significantly smaller population that is much more willing to pay high levels of tax in return for a high level of social benefit, in line with janteloven

Partly the reason. Norway also made good use of their share of North Sea Oil revenues. Their soverign pension fund is almost US$200K per head. However, as you point out the population is much smaller, about 6 million compared to UK's 66 million.

Sadly UK pissed their share up the wall.

HenHarrier · 14/02/2020 13:15

^^ meant to type free market funded socialism

HenHarrier · 14/02/2020 13:16

Sadly UK pissed their share up the wall.

You mean Thatcher used it to fund tax cuts.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 13:18

@Clavinova

I remember that it was the French President, DeGalle, that didn't want the UK to be a member.

Now they are huffed that UK is leaving. Some can't make up their minds.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 13:26

You mean Thatcher used it to fund tax cuts

Partly. Reform of the UK which created higher unemployment, Falklands war, miners strike and playing follow the leader with the US in other wars all took their toll on oil revenues.

Mistigri · 14/02/2020 13:28

DeGalle

GrinShockHmm

AuldAlliance · 14/02/2020 13:30

De Gaulle died in 1970 and has been unable to do anything with his mind, whether make it up or change it, since then.

Not everyone in France agreed with him at the time. He was almost 80 and his generation are long gone.

The fact that, 50 years on, France's current policy (under another President, from a different party, with another gvmt and Pmt) has changed is unsurprising and a healthy sign of an ability to evolve, adopt new ideas, etc.

Jason118 · 14/02/2020 13:33

It seems the EU don't need much of a negotiating strategy. The holes in both our feet are helping them to great effect.

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/japanese-legal-giant-confirms-it-shunned-london-over-brexit/5103035.article?fbclid=IwAR3jLRg-dbH1L8vSsYusHJbH3mPECUS6bC6AeLiBjh8SKP5WSS_O9S0mmWY

ListeningQuietly · 14/02/2020 13:35

I do home Mystery's ex is not a benefit scrounging immigrant because he's bogged off abroad to avoid his CSA obligations
that would be ironic

how is the weather in Moscow ?

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 13:39

De Gaulle died in 1970 and has been unable to do anything with his mind, whether make it up or change it, since then

UK first applied in 1961.

AuldAlliance · 14/02/2020 13:45

De Gaulle died in 1970 and has been unable to do anything with his mind, whether make it up or change it, since then.
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UK first applied in 1961.

If we were still unsure what non sequitur meant, that's that cleared up.
And we have discovered along the way there are rumours afoot that De Gaulle may have had scabies.
Or Welsh blood.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 13:46

@LQ

CSA was replaced by CMS on 25 Nov 2013.

She was a scounger until she got caught for claiming before the divorce was completed.

WTC has recently been stopped as she foolishly took a copy of the consent order to a tribunal over CMS payments. The tribunal saw that she had an overseas property I bought for her, but she had not declared it when claiming WTC.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 13:50

@Mistigri
@AuldAlliance

Still laughing at remainers attempt to apply the logic:

Leaver has made a typo = Brexit must be cancelled

Who knows there may be a Frexit in the future?

AuldAlliance · 14/02/2020 13:59

@MysteryTripAgain
Where have I said in the last few months that another referendum should be held?

For linguistics geeks, your posts are a goldmine - one that has nothing to do with suggesting that Brexit should be stopped because you make typos. That suggestion is laughable. Anyone that posted so prolifically would make typos.
"the Kazakhstan" OTOH, is not a typo.

As for logic...

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 14:00

@Jason118

Love it when I hear companies want to pull out of London. The North South divide has gone on to long.

MysteryTripAgain · 14/02/2020 14:04

Where have I said in the last few months that another referendum should be held?

Who said you did?

Malylis is the poster who thinks there is a precedent for another referendum within 2 years of leaving the EU. However, they have not clarified when the 2 years starts. Is it 31 Jan 2020 or 31 Dec 2020 or later if the transition period is extended?

For linguistics geeks

If being a form of geek makes you happy go for it.

malylis · 14/02/2020 14:07

You keep creating this strawman of Brexit must be cancelled.

You don't understand economics at all that is for sure

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