How can remainers get behind Brexit and pull together ?

[frumpety]

What does this mean in practical terms ? What do I need to actually do to achieve pulling together and getting behind Brexit ? Why does it matter if I and the rest of the 48 million don't ?

@Icantreachthepretzels

Only need to be in the UK for more than 91 days to be resident. To be non resident you must be out of UK for a full tax year and be in UK less than 91 days. Did not happen in 2016. Hence I could vote.

This just feels like those times when the company/organisation introduces a new scheme , that everyone who does the actual work , narrows their eyes at and thinks 'this sounds like a bad idea' , but their manager is in full on recent convert mode. So not only does the workforce have to deal with the practicalities of the bad idea but they also have to deal with recent convert manager bouncing around the place spouting nonsensical soundbites.
Until new scheme proves to be an abject failure, then recent convert manager reverts back to normal and develops selective amnesia

News story explaining why Immigration news headlines are largely bilge

Take a look at;

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00v5cv3

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10445585/Labour-made-a-spectacular-mistake-on-immigration-admits-Jack-Straw.html

www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-story

I really struggle to know what difference me going "yay Brexit! Its gonna be great!" makes, compared to my current strategy (ignore all the news and wait for the day I can go "well you voted for it" to dipshit leavers)
I mean yeah, its much nicer for leave voters to think everyone loves it, but it makes fuck all material difference.

@Quentin

Good or bad the outcome affects everyone.

I can't work out why remainers want Brexit to fail when it will affect them too.

I can't work out why remainers want Brexit to fail when it will affect them too

I don't want it to fail, why would I? I want my son to have some sort of future where he will have a job and not be like the millions of Spanish or Greek young unemployed. But pursuing no deal is not going to help the economy in any way. And we can't wait 10 years for things to get better, we live now. He's doing A levels, he can cushion things a bit by staying a student for as long as possible but he can't stay in HE for the next decade.

Given the closeness of the vote, pursuing a close relationship such as staying in the SM and CU should have been the policy. It would have also been the least economically damaging.

Its not about wanting Brexit to fail , obviously if there were some good outcomes for the population of the UK and no bad ones then of course I would be happy. If there was some sort of identifiable plan, that would be a start.

Silly sausage. Most remainers hope everything will be fine, but hope isn’t enough really, despite Brexiteers’ assurances that it is.

You know all those leavers saying “I don’t contribute to brexit threads because of the abuse I get from remainers”? I actually think it’s brexit supporters like the main one on this thread who put them off. It’s a shame because it would be nice to hear views from more people, but one noisy, silly one just takes over and won’t let anyone else get a word in. And it’s hardly then remainers’ fault if that is the dominant brexit voice. A real pity.

Plus how can you determine if Brexit has failed when nobody can tell us what Brexit is ?

@QuentinWinters

Obviously how we feel about it won't make the blindest bit of difference to anything. I think it's helpful to some leavers though to permeate the idea that Brexit is almost sentient and will be damaged by our negativity. That way if it fails they can sort of mentally attribute it to our failure to support it. Plus on a day to day basis it would be nicer for leavers if everyone was quiet about it.

I accept that it's possible that Brexit will create positive changes but as the outcome is unknown I don't consider the benefits to be worth the risk of failure.

For me, it feels like this. I wouldn't support a proposal that everyone's houses were bet on a horse with the prospect of getting 2 houses if the horse comes in. The form of the horse is a bit iffy but it might do well but we won't really know until the end of the race (which might go on for a couple of decades). Getting 2 houses isn't worth potentially losing my house for me. If my house wasn't included in the bet (because it was abroad for example) or I didn't have a house perhaps my view on that would be different. I don't think I'd feel comfortable taking risks with other people's houses though, even if I didn't have one to lose myself.

The thing is, even if the horse comes in and I end up with the 2 houses, I'll still be pretty hacked off that the bet was taken in the first place.

But pursuing no deal is not going to help the economy in any way

I am a leave with a deal supporter, but get the feeling that BJ will give priority to US, Japan and China before EU.

My stepdaughter studied in France and Germany (Business and Languages Degree) to keep her options for work in UK and the EU.

It paid off. When the UK company she worked for folded she found a job in Germany.

It’s a shame because it would be nice to hear views from more people, but one noisy, silly one just takes over and won’t let anyone else get a word in

Anyone can post on MN. Leavers left the threads because of all the

I know better and leavers are stupid from the likes of Jasjas and Malylis.

Even hardcore remain supporters like Bear and Bellinsurge acknowledged that approach would not encourage interaction.

I personally think that BJ would be happy to be a vassal state of the USA, but that while he is happily crawling to the US to get that status, the Chinese will quietly have moved in and we will be the vassal of China, before BJ and cronies wake up to what has happened.

Japan, I think will probably stick with the EU.

So, what Remainers should do for Brexitannia, updated: "wait for a couple of decades," "emote positively," "STFU except for constantly praising the juicy emissions of Leavers 🍆💦," "...," "...,"?

@Peregrina

BJ's decison over 5G would support you comments about China

I think Japan's FTA with EU is more beneficial to Japan as it allows all manufacturing to moved back to Japan. No need for factories in the EU now that Japan can sell in the EU tariff free.

@TheElementsOdeToJoy,

Brexit is not even three working days old. Way too soon to say if it is good or bad. No doubt it will be raised in the run up to the next election.

“ Way too soon to say if it is good or bad.“

No one here is talking about seeing benefits after 3 days. Everyone is talking about longterm. More silliness and diversion. A real shame no other leave voters get a word in on threads like this

No one here is talking about seeing benefits after 3 days

Suggest you look at other threads. The poster Peregrina thinks it should have been wrapped up in an afternoon.

A real shame no other leave voters get a word in on threads like this

Many Leavers left these threads due to the arrogance of posters who constantly said "Leavers are stupid".

A real shame no other leave voters get a word in on threads like this

This thread is a virtual wanksock 🍆💦

I think someone with less arrogance, more insight, and less of an agenda, might think to themselves “I’m not best placed, as someone who spends most of the time living away from the UK, and doesn’t understand complex issues, to really connect with remain voters and convey the leave position without appearing stupid”. As it is, remainers are left with that impression because of carpet-bombing posts that leave no room for reasonable leave voters to contribute

@TheElements

Your posts don't add a lot. Little surprised that MNHQ has not deleted the symbols attached to your posts.

Oh absolutely TheElementsOdeToJoy. It’s such a shame that leave voters are put off contributing by this kind of poster

that leave no room for reasonable leave voters to contribute

Anyone can post on MN irrespective of what others post and in what numbers.

There been many threads requesting leavers to explain what they see as the benefits of leaving the EU. When leavers posted they often received rude and arrogant comments. Hence the leave supporters, other than myself and one or two others, don't bother anymore.

So back on topic, what Remainers should do for Brexitannia, updated: "wait for a couple of decades," "emote positively," "STFU except for constantly praising the juicy emissions of Leavers 🍆💦 and not make them have hurty feelz," "having previously demonstrated intellect by means of counting down now demonstrate intellect by means of counting up," "...," "...,"?

In summary, did "pulling together" mean pulling on somebody's 🍆?

The poster Peregrina thinks it should have been wrapped up in an afternoon.

I was merely quoting David Davis who thought this would be the case. He is strangely silent now.

My personal belief is that if it took Greenland three years to achieve a half in half out status with a population of 50,000 and one major industry it was not going to take us less than that, and more like the norm of seven to ten years that trade deals usually take.

@Peregrina

I can find the easy comments about the trade deals, but not the all done in an afternoon. Sticking stamps on envelopes is easy, but if you have to do it 10 million times it would take time.

However, I would agree that 11 months seems optimistic unless BJ is confident he can use an existing model. Canada and Australia have been mentioned.