How can remainers get behind Brexit and pull together ?

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What does this mean in practical terms ? What do I need to actually do to achieve pulling together and getting behind Brexit ? Why does it matter if I and the rest of the 48 million don't ?

What's the difference? Unlike remainers I don't claim to have a crystal ball that knows the future with certainty.

Or it might not have as, you know, nothing is certain.

Ignore MysteryTripAgain, he does not live in the UK

Yes it's interesting that someone who claims to have not worked in the UK since 1988 (so presumably did before then) thinks they voted leave in the referendum - and would continue to do so in any future referendums.
Now my maths is pretty shonky but 1988 is over 30 years ago. and a UK citizen loses their right to vote after 15 years out of the country so ... mystery hasn't been able to vote in British democratic events since the early 2000s - way before the glorious June 23rd '16.

Mystery is not a real leaver. They did not vote leave, they will not vote 'stay out' in the future. They do not have a vote.

@MysteryTripAgain

National pride - what the fuck does that have to do with the Eu

Immigration- we have always had controls of our immigration and the choice of how we implement rules and the amount of requirements in country. Our choice to implement the way we chose. + the majority of immigration is outside the EU which we have 100% control and add to that we need immigrants to fill jobs.

European Commission - commissioners are nominated by each governments We always had a vote. And you look at the House of Lords who voted for that.

You’re just full of shit.

I personally am very active in contacting and meeting (every now and then) my MP (he's a good'un he is) and very much conveying my preference for an EEA style relationship, including FoM, in future. I think business will get on board cos the benefits to business are obvious. The government can invest, and should incentivise business to invest, in employees' training. Also they should have done as a EU member state but that ship has now sailed.

I think now the UK has left, more deep and fundamental divisions are emerging.

Think you’ll find Brexit has made the EU stronger and more likely to stick together rather than the opposite

Frexit in the cards. Lots of unrest in France.

When UK stops making payments to the EU the net contributor members will either have to pay in more or the net takers receive less. That will cause aggravations.

Eastern Europe was mostly FSU remember.

@Sunshinegirl82

Just read the news this week. Our governments hasn’t got a fucking clue what they are doing. Raab today saying we won’t be aligned with EU regulation. That’s fine but we’ll not be able to sell anything to the Mc

US, China, Russia all want EU broken

Yes, so that those countries have more power over us. The local burglar would probably like the nearest police station closed down.

Yes, so that those countries have more power over us

Yes.

The local burglar would probably like the nearest police station closed down

I bet on US, Russia and China wrecking the EU before a single burglar could close down the local police station.

Sounds remarkably like that crystal ball again!

@lovelyupnorth

Sorry, that first paragraph was a quote from a previous post of @MysteryTripAgain. I should have made that clearer!

We should hang our heads in shame if that happens.

@MysteryTripAgain

You’re talking shit about frexit as was seen with the elections in France the right wing lost and lost heavily. As they have been doing all across europe.

You’re clearly a dick with no clue and just spouting shit.

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And back to what Remainers should do: "wait for about a quarter of a century."

I'll get behind Brexit when it gets behind me

As they have been doing all across europe

They will all be watching what happens in UK after it has left the EU. If they see UK doing well after Brexit they will start to wonder themselves. Italy is my tip for the next member to leave the EU. France second.

I'll get behind Brexit when it gets behind me

Must have a big arse for 17.4 million to get behind.

For example: FoM, whatever its benefits, did disincentivise employers from investing in training, especially young people.

Not that they have ever had a good record in this matter. Maybe if the Germans were in a position to dictate to us as Mystery seems to think they were, we might have had better training schemes!

And back to what Remainers should do: "wait for about a quarter of a century

Either that or come up with an alternative

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• I'll get behind Brexit when it gets behind me

Must have a big arse for 17.4 million to get behind.*

Eurgh @Mystery is just a disgusting old man isn't he. Resorting to personal insults. I notice he didn't address the PP's comments about his supposed vote and the fact he's lived outside the UK for decades.

What is it with these old white men who live abroad and voted Brexit. Cleese, Dyson and the like. Happy to shaft the country and watch it combust as long as they're not living there. Dinosaur mentality.

lovelyupnorth
You need to consider EU immigration at the time of the referendum though;
"Following peak levels of over 200,000 in 2015 and early 2016, EU net migration has declined and now stands at 48,000 in the year ending June 2019"

Non EU immigration figures are distorted by the large number of Chinese students coming to study here.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/november2019

Immigration-we have always had controls of our immigration and the choice of how we implement rules and the amount of requirements in country.

Only a few days ago I heard Professor John Curtice (Senior Research Fellow at NatCen, Professor of Politics at Strathclyde University, and Chief Commentator on the What UK Thinks) say that we do not have control of our borders whilst we are in the EU.

Clavinovas point about EU people flows in 2016 are correct but still only part of the story.

Theresa May was pretty unique in insisting that students count as immigrants
remove them and the immigration numbers would have been low enough to be a non story.

Also bear in mind that the UK's migration statistics are utterly unreliable
and the methodology is under review

and the fact that many EU migrants come here for a few months a year to work (pick veg etc) and then return home

but basically Theresa May bears a lot of responsibility for making Immigration a toxic issue after 2010

News story explaining why Immigration news headlines are largely bilge
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49427824