How can remainers get behind Brexit and pull together ?

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What does this mean in practical terms ? What do I need to actually do to achieve pulling together and getting behind Brexit ? Why does it matter if I and the rest of the 48 million don't ?

The 10 years after WWI and WWII were likely bad for people too, but people got on with their lives as they had to. Whining about the short term effects of change that majorities have voted for in pointless.

I suspect that I am a bit older than Mystery and was alive when the Post War rationing was still on. DH still has his identity card, mine got lost in a house move.The War was very much a live issue still for our parents. The narrative for both sets went that they were now glad the war was over, families were reunited at last, and the threat of being sent to fight and killed had passed for most of the population. Additionally there was the huge bonus of the new NHS - an absolute blessing for poor people who no longer had to worry themselves sick about paying doctors fees. But, rationing actually got worse after the war e.g. bread wasn't rationed during the war, only afterwards, and then by the early 1950s people were heartily sick of still being rationed when the war had been over for at least 5 years.

There were bonuses - the post war baby boom meant that both DH and I, in different parts of the country, both spent some of our primary schooling in newly built, well equipped schools.

Brexit is already passed in UK and EU law

Talk about stating the bleedin' obvious! I think we know that, we've lived and breathed this for years now.

Did you read that article mystery? It's not easy if you want to sell or sell services abroad. I make stuff for a living. Pre-EU I load stock into my van, drive to a fair in Bruges or Munich or wherever, and that's it. That may be doable in theory after Brexit but it sure as hell won't be economically viable for small traders.

But yes, I forgot about the Morris dancers, FamilyofAliens! Who needs all that foreign nonsense when you have middle-aged men wearing bells on their feet to keep us entertained.

Pre-brexit, not Pre-EU, obviously!

It's not easy if you want to sell or sell services abroad

Complex for most small businesses and even bigger ones would prefer to avoid the complications, which is why Ryanair is now specifying that U.K. applicants must have full rights to work in the EU.

That may be doable in theory after Brexit but it sure as hell won't be economically viable for small traders

Are you mixing economically viable and convenience? Yes more visas to process, but how will travel to and from Munich cost more?

Is it not the same distance as before?
Does it increase the running costs of the van?
Will accommodation in Munich cost more?

If EU imposes tariffs on the goods and services you sell then yes it will cost more and your customers may not want to pay the higher prices. That is why Boris is looking for FTA with the EU.

At moment I am operating in the EU via a UK Ltd Company. So I am curious to see the impacts, if any, when trade deals are concluded.

Good luck with your business

So far, things Remainers should do for Brexitannia: "watch silently" but also "be virtual fluffers and wanksocks for Winnerz."

So far, things Remainers should do for Brexitannia: "watch silently" but also "be virtual fluffers and wanksocks for Winnerz."

Brexit is not even two working days old and already people are expecting instant results. Never going to happen.

The astroturfer is back I see
Wish there was a "hide poster" facility

In answer to the OP - you are expected to shut up.

Over 120 messages in 24 hours. Full time job.

In answer to the OP - you are expected to shut up

Incorrect. Give Brexit time to take effect. When, if ever, actual evidence is available that demonstrates Brexit is not working for the UK present it and campaign for a rethink.

Brexit is not even two working days old and already people are expecting instant results. Never going to happen.

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Brexit is not even two working days old and already people are expecting instant results. Never going to happen.

We hold all the cards, easiest deals in history, so why haven't we got instant results? Or at least why isn't the Government up and running with what they want?

Now back to the NHS - have they published the list of where the 40 new hospitals are going to be built yet and asked for planning permission and put out tenders? If not, why not?

“I cannot understand why those who voted to leave are not brimming with positive ideas for how they are gong to make their dream outcome work. I would support positive ideas” Because that is the job of someone else. They didn’t need to make up their minds based upon understanding the reality, they just have to believe, reality is someone else’s problem.....

We hold all the cards, easiest deals in history, so why haven't we got instant results? Or at least why isn't the Government up and running with what they want

As per Article 50 the future relationship did not mean negotiations on new deals. I seem to remember that you an Malylis saying that on another thread.

That so, then the expection that trade deals would be complete in less than 2 days is unrealistic.

Now back to the NHS - have they published the list of where the 40 new hospitals are going to be built yet and asked for planning permission and put out tenders?

Maybe tenders are being prepared as you post?

Bottom line here appears that remainers are in a panic now that Bexit is happening.

I don't recall making any comments on A50 negotiations, but please trawl back and correct me.

Maybe they are preparing tenders. We shall see. Jonson realistically has until the summer of 2024 to get these hospitals built. How many will we see? New hospitals, not old ones with a lick of paint?

Bottom line is that Leavers can't yet tell us what the benefits are. We have now heard quite a lot about how it won't be onerous for musicians to apply for visas, but before they didn't need them.

apply for visas

As I understand it:

🇬🇧Brexit will not stop TruBrits from bestriding the globe because all it takes for full rights for any Brit to move anywhere doing anything without restriction or criterion, is a simple spot of form-filling and quickie online-visa-ing.
🇬🇧Simultaneously, Brexit will solve the unspeakable horror of NotBrits moving to Brexitannia, and impose strict controls, limits and criteria upon incomers, because they'll be subject to... um... form-filling and visas.

Ignore MysteryTripAgain, he does not live in the UK (or an EU country), he's an agitator posting about something that does not affect him.

@saskia

According to Malylis what happens in the EU will affect the entire globe on a siesmic scale?

This is the article to read... on what we, as a country, have done to ourselves.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-pointless-masochistic-ambition-history-done

The EU has been good for us and it's ridiculous to blame it for shortcomings of the Govt who have been in power for 10 years. We've lost the one thing that was excellent for our country.

"There is much that is historically unjust about the British state, but very little of that injustice derives from the EU. Brussels didn’t insist that we neglect the post-industrial towns of the Midlands and the north; or demand that we let wages stagnate, or permit multimillion handouts to the CEOs of failing companies, or prefer shareholder value over the social good, or run our health service, social care and Sure Start into the ground, close 600 police stations and let the fabric of our state schools decay."

There is so much more to the article though and it makes me sad to think of what we have lost through this harebrained decision to leave the EU.

Bottom line is that Leavers can't yet tell us what the benefits are

They have, just remain supporters don't agree with them.

Please ignore MysteryTripAgain and his willy waggling.
He likes to derail threads
but if nobody responds to him hopefully he'll go back home to the Far East

Please ignore MysteryTripAgain

Interpreted as;

Wish this poster wouldn't ask why remainers are not rich if they can forecast the future with certainty.

Wish they didn't point out that Article 50 prevented people from knowing exactly what was going to happen when referendum took place 23 June 2016.

Wish they didn't point out that everyone over voting age can vote regardless of their opinion.

Pride is immeasurable.

You haven't told us. You have told us of what might be. You have also given us more detail about your divorce that we need to know. Do remember divorce = failure in many peoples' eyes. Now some of us would have preferred to work at the relationship, others of you are just happy to walk out. It may work out in the fullness of time, it may not.

You haven't told us. You have told us of what might be

What's the difference? Unlike remainers I don't claim to have a crystal ball that knows the future with certainty.

Do remember divorce = failure in many peoples' eyes

UK divorce rate is 42%.

It may work out in the fullness of time, it may not

Completely contradicts the remain theory that staying in the EU is best forever. For leave supporters maybe 47 years was a long enough trial period to decide whether or not being in the EU was good or bad.