Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

Experts were no where near

There weren’t with respect to job losses.

Accurate on inflation and fall in value of the pound, accurate on cumulative GDP fall

Which means massively less to voters than job losses.

inaccurate on shock or extreme shock scenario because the parameters under which the projections were made were not fully met

Headlines attract the most attention. Details do not.

However as you can produce no experts that think Brexit will be a success (except Minford please come up with him) you attempt to dismiss them all

Why produce any experts when they are always wrong. Where are the experts who have become super rich from the Stock Market because they know what the future holds?

If all expertise was the same and accurate it would only support one view point. That all experts do not agree demonstrates that none of them can be considered superior to any of the others.

Toddler, I hope you are right, that domestic politicians will be better held to account.

The Brexit debacle has certainly increased political engagement in the general population but, on this thread alone, there’s that drumbeat of government misinformation - cited in good faith by people who are clearly bright, switched on and care deeply about the future of the country.

Radicalisation techniques, channeled through social media are simple, effective and cheap and I think we have further to fall before we start to climb.

You only revert to the headlines point when you can't defend your own criticism of experts. The millionaires stuff is facile rubbish too.

Essentially you go round wnd round in circles making the same poor points again and again. Its been explained why job losses didnt occur, yet yoj just repeat a simplistic point.

The millionaires stuff is facile rubbish too

Incorrect. It demonstrates that remainers cannot forecast the future with certainty as they claim. All are saying UK will be poorer after Brexit. If they can forecast the future with certainty how would the UK becoming poorer overall affect them?

Lalalalala.

No its a simple strawman device. You can't defend your points so you make an argument which you think is easier to knock down than the one being made.

Lets put it this way, without the unemployment (which has been dealt with) the expert predictions have been proved to be reliable. You can't argue against that so you make this stupid millionaire point.

However if its the case that experts are routinely widely wrong why do FTSE 250 companies, banks, hedge funds et al all employ economists? Why not just leave it to chance as you say?

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You only revert to the headlines point when you can't defend your own criticism of experts

Headlines are meant to be the key points. The ones that catch the eye first so that people are more likely to pay attention.

Its been explained why job losses didnt occur, yet yoj just repeat a simplistic point

Explanation was given retrospective many months after the forecast. That does not reduce the scare monger effect at the time before the referendum.

why do FTSE 250 companies, banks, hedge funds et al all employ economists? Why not just leave it to chance as you say

Based on the number of inaccurate forecasts by so called experts I would ask the same question. Did they forecast the crash of 1987 and tell everyone to sell shares beforehand?

cannot forecast the future with certainty

So it could go either way. Unicorns or completely tits up. You may be able to comfortably sit and watch this all from the other side of the world, but others are far closer to the front line than you are. Ie actually here. Sorry if that sounds xenophobic

Why do you think your opinion is relevant? That’s one impressively huge post count you’ve clocked up this past few weeks and you haven’t lived here for years

Lets put it this way, without the unemployment (which has been dealt with) the expert predictions have been proved to be reliable. You can't argue against that so you make this stupid millionaire point

Not stupid. You are saying that experts can forecast future with certainty. If so why don’t they clean up on the stock market every day? Would it not be easy?

The experts you refer to base their predictions based on historical hindsight data on the assumption that history determines the future. Brexit has no history or hindsight.

So it could go either way

Remainers are saying it will go one way only. Downward.

No your headlines point is used whenever someone critiques points you have made as being simplistic. Same as when you can't take a criticism of a reason given for a leave vote, you revert to the point about conditions for having a vote.

You have no idea about the number of accurate forecasts or how accurate they are, you knowledge of economics, trade and most topics concerning brexit are repeatedly exposed as poor.

Go ask Mystic Meg alternatively the momentum party.

I am naturally suspicious of people with fixed views that somehow know the answer to life’s problems. Basic recent history shows how well that works out.

"Brexit has no history of hindisght." Yet it is possible to forecast the impacts given a known number of variables.

The millionaire point is stupid because as said its a straw man and its inaccurate "Why aren't all experts millionaires" is totally countered by why do all organisations that operate on the stock market/financial markets/big industries employ economic experts if they are repeatedly inaccurate as you claim?

clean up on the stock market every day? Would it not be easy?

Perhaps if you knew the weather with political posturing and knew when the pound goes up and down, (and knew some powerful people) you might be able to make a killing financially🤔

Things are quite volatile at the moment

Hi Jacob 👋

is totally countered by why do all organisations that operate on the stock market/financial markets/big industries employ economic experts if they are repeatedly inaccurate as you claim

As the experts themselves are not millionaires or the companies they represent are not making billionaires every day I would ask the question.

It will benefit us by sniffing out the pessimistic people who have no faith in us.

Yet it is possible to forecast the impacts given a known number of variables

If possible to forecast why have you not bet everything you own. If your ability to forecast is infallible what have you got to lose?

Yes because its a simplistic question that doesn't actually counter the point made.

by sniffing out

Horrendous words and you should have a long hard think about what you’ve written means.

Yes because its a simplistic question that doesn't actually counter the point made

Counters perfectly. If the economic experts employed by the top FTSE are capable of forecasting the future with certainty why they not all billionaires?

Remainers and experts say they know prospectively that Brexit is a certainty. However, they are unable to forecast the stock market which has huge historic data.

No it doesn't counter perfectly at all.

If the work of economic experts is so inaccurate that is not of any use why do people use them, and pay handsomely to do so?

Yours is a strawman fail.

Anyway, have fun posting into the night.

*If the work of economic experts is so inaccurate that is not of any use why do people use them, and pay handsomely to do so?

I wouldn’t employ them for that reason. Stock Markets have been around for decades, but no one has worked out to win every time.