Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

But Frequency, you will still see that in India, which Rees-Mogg would like to bring back here.

Of course it won't be little Sixtus and his siblings who have to endure this.

I voted remain so not your target market but the key benefit for me is accountability. Before you jump on me, what I mean is that before politicians hid behind the EU even though frequently they could have done something about the issue or chosen to mitigate it (eg enforcing the EU rules on migration - the freedom of movement is to work, which of course most EU nationals do - the entitlement is not to simply come to the U.K. to live because you fancy it if you cannot support yourself - this is very consistently applied in other countries). Now, there really is no one else responsible. Politicians will have to be grown ups. That is all I have!

@Frequency

Your account is horrific. I totally agree and I think you should be paid far more for what you do

I actually like my job and I'm quite fond of Doris and Ethel*. I hated it at first, especially Doris' call. I would genuinely want to cry if I saw Doris' name on my rota but I got to know what makes her tick and what makes her get out bed. I now bride her with fags and pots and tea if she'll sit on the loo and let me give her a full body wash She stops accusing me of trying to murder her once supplied with sufficient amounts of nicotine and caffeine and I never make her eggs, no matter what she asks for she gets toast because I know she will always eat toast.

Ethel loves me and always behaves well for me. Her dementia is not as advanced as Doris' and she remembers me and remembers I am the carer who does the good pigtails (Ethel has an emotional age of a small child).

What is sad is that they are allowed to be there. Doris needs full time nursing care in a secure facility and Ethel needs intensive psychiatric care. I work in an independent living facility Doris' family genuinely believe they are doing the best for her because she made them promise not to put her in nursing care before she declined and adult social services have neither the funds nor the time to intervene and I'm not sure the care Ethel needs even exists.

Cutting costs even more by forcing claimants to do the work of trained carers who want to be there is definitely not the answer.The care industry needs more money and more training, not less.

*Not their real names.

thetoddleratemyhomework

I can see the logic behind your argument, but with a gvmt that has ordered Cabinet members to avoid various media (Channel 4, the Today programme, etc.) that are perceived as asking "tricky" questions rather than kowtowing to those in power, and that has refused access to briefings for any journalists not on an approved list (thereby excluding, as I understand it, all Scottish newspapers), how is the accountability going to function?

Accountability requires transparancy and an open, free media. The influence of the likes of Murdoch is testament to how far we are from that in the UK just now.

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I have asked several times for remain supporters to explain why they are not super rich from the stock market if they can forecast the future with 100% certainty, but so far never had a reply

That is not because it is the massive gotcha moment you seem to think, but because it's nonsense. Remainers voted for the status quo, so the onus is not on them to forecast the future but on leavers. Also, making predictions based on expert opinions is not the same as forecasting the future based on, I don't know, dissecting birds' gizzards or looking for patterns in tea leaves.

so the onus is not on them to forecast the future but on leavers

Missed the point completely. Remainers are saying Brexit is certain to make the UK poorer.

Frequency thank you for doing the work you do.

From what I gather (previous Lib Dem voter = called a lefty loonie, then changed to Labour = called an IRA supporter) I just don't know where I belong anymore. Suffice to say, I voted Remain. And I've seen sod all ence to persuade me otherwise.

Most economists have said that there will be a shrinking of the economy to start with, they differ on how long this will last. So surely this will impact people, and unfortunately the poorest will probably be hit the most, especially if costs go up.

Also, making predictions based on expert opinions

Experts forecast that between 500,000 and 800,000 jobs would be lost by a leave vote. Never happened . Unemployment has decreased since the 2016 referendum.

Remainers aren't claiming to have a crystal ball. They are, however, ready to listen to experts who base their predictions on sound reasoning.

Experts forecast that between 500,000 and 800,000 jobs would be lost by a leave vote. Never happened.

Link?

Were these jobs all going to go at 11pm on the 31st, or would it take a couple of weeks?

Never happened or hasn't happened yet? Over what timescale?

Most economists have said that there will be a shrinking of the economy to start with

All changes of direction and strategy involve short term costs.

A GPS diverts a car when there is bad traffic ahead. The revised route may be initially slower and greater distance, but overall journey time is less as the worst of the traffic was avoided.

Moving house will have sunk costs such as; removals, legal fees and estate agents, etc.

Car manufacturers who transitioned from the MRP system to JIT will have had many years of fine tuning, learning curve costs, but the long term benefits were worthwhile.

Remainers aren't claiming to have a crystal ball

Disagree. The number of remainers who have said UK is guaranteed to make the UK ports is huge.

Remainers voted for the status quo

That might have been what you voted for, but it wouldn't have been what you got. The EU wasn't planning to stay as it was in 2016 and never change.

They are, however, ready to listen to experts who base their predictions on sound reasoning

The same expert who said between 500,000 and 800,000 jobs would be lost?

I personally don't view caring as low skilled work by any means

Christ no

It’s certainly not valued enough

They are, however, ready to listen to experts who base their predictions on sound reasoning

The same expert who said between 500,000 and 800,000 jobs would be lost?

Link?

By what point did they say these jobs would be lost?

Were these jobs all going to go at 11pm on the 31st, or would it take a couple of weeks?

Treasury forecast was made prior to the referendum. No caveats specified on timeframe.

frequency

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I see that MysteryTrip is still carpeting the thread with his artificial views

The number of remainers who have said UK is guaranteed to make the UK ports is huge

Bollocks it is

How close to 16 million is it?